Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

Uncomfortable cough before he answers.

And you're not supposed to be able to hear him - the Leonardo bean-tin has high-level encryption😁

I love her so much I can't articulate it!

From TT

AL - cleanliness an issue
NC - because of what I said?
AL - probably
NC - so urinals would help as would keeping M and F separate>
AL - keeping on right side of legal advice we were given
NC - not consistent with F dignity to use toilets with m colleagues urine on seat and floor

NC "No point in arguing, it's just a yes, yes?"

Burn!

NC Leonardo doesn't care very much.

Said about monitoring sex

NC requiring straight answers is GLORIOUS

Phew! Just catching up. Thanks Myrtle, Icky and all.

This bloke sounds like so many puffed-up-promoted-beyond-their-ability-eejits we have all had the misfortune to encounter.

Go NC!

What question did he ask NC? 😂

Oh, Naomi. Straight in. 💜

I could almost feel sorry for....No. Can't.

This has been worth the wait!

NC I ask the questions and you answer them

From TT

AL - I can understand that's a view taken
NC - it's not dignified to have to wipe m colleagues urine off before using the toilet
AL - can't talk to that
NC - data for L is all self ID gender
AL - yes
NC - you don't know how many staff are M or F

AL - collect data on gender
NC - I think you are agreeing you don't know how many are bio M or bio F
AL - can argue that
NC - it's a yes or no
AL - ?
NC - isn't not collecting sex data an indicator L doesn't care about sex
AL - we collect the data...
NC - impossible to ask sex

NC - I ask the questions so I won't be answering yours.

She's on fire.

Isn't she magnificent

May I just say how much I love your username

From TT

NC - and get a truthful answer
AL - would we be able to ask that question
NC - the nature of this is I ask the questions
AL - (can't hear)
NC - 194 bundle - b4 i ask you understand there is debate between 2 views, GC acknowledges sex is real and matters and GI theory says GI

Oh, this is fabulous. She's just warming up.

God she's going to give him nightmares tonight.

At 3am tomorrow he is going to be stood in his pjs in his kitchen questioning his life choices

He asked whether they would be able to ask the question (of what someone's biological sex is)

From TT

NC - matters and sex doesn't for practical purposes
AL - yes
NC - looking at glossary of terms on L intranet, seen before?
AL - no
NC - please glance through it.
J - clarification - currently on intranet?
NC - taken from intranet, will ask witness
ST - C says it was removed

He's gone oh so quiet

Inspired by our own, dear Fifer 😍

If she needs him back to continue XX tomorrow, he's going to such a crap night tonight.

Same! I am sat in a puddle of wires as I have been frantically testing all the speakers I can find to amplify the joy as far as possible. Make sure you zoom and position the South West area of your screen centrally for optimum squirm viewing.