Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

It's like three witches behind the unaware middle-aged man :)

From TT

This is the second afternoon session of Day 3 of Kelly v Leonardo.

We will resume after the short break.

Judge back

That's not the reply I was expecting and it made me laugh out loud😂
I see where you're coming from - to be avoided chez le coiffeur: 'I'd like it down to my breasts please'😱

Annyhooo, enough about breasts, let's get back to the trib..😀

Naomi up next 😍

And she's started

Straight in to the point of this whole thing

Women!

I always enjoy how Naomi says 'I'm right, aren't I that......'

NC sounds as clear as a bell. He sounds like he’s using a bean tin to communicate.

Think she's going to point out how their women look how progressive we are come work in engineering is not borne out in reality.

He has no idea what is going to happen, has he?

Nope. 🙂‍↔️

Already sent him to a bundle page

Nope.

From TT

NC - afternoon. a few qu about L women generally. It's right L says it is F friendly to attract talent.
AL - at pains to be an inclusive employer and we don't want to miss out on good employees and yes absolutely want to be seen as good to women and more generally
NC - F leadersh

NC - leadership, mentorship etc on your site, ambitions to increase numbers etc
AL - yes stated aim to invest time and skills promoting STEM subjects
NC - paraphrasing, you said you regard L to open an dresponsive to feedback from staff.
AL - yes

We can all see where this is going, can't we?

Is it wrong that I really enjoy her questioning of some poor squirming schmuck?

Not just any old bean tin, though, a bean tin produced by
Leonardo - a global security company that realises multi-domain technological capabilities in Aerospace, Defence, and Security

I feel he is preparing excuses along the line of - it was Christmas; I was busy; I drove into a bin etc.

He thinks if he waffles long enough he'll be ok. I mean, it's always worked for him in the boardroom.
Edited for typo.

Nope. Payback for what they have put Women through, I'd say.
FAFO

From TT

NC - bundle page 517? - seen before? take a look.
that report, JCC survey from May 23 on staff attitudes to gn toilets, sent out believing not an issue, message from staff was F staff don't like sharing with men.
AL - not sure of site, participation low, cleanliness and maintenan

I wonder whether Pete will make an appearance

NC Men peeing

Another thing she probably never dreamt during law school she'd say in a court!

From TT

AL - ce higher priority than GN, small number
NC - saying can be disregarded
AL - no just prioritiies
NC - M staff neutral on it, F negative, cleanliness men neutral, F v negative. Reasons quite obvious, men don't always aim straight or lift seat.