Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

From TT

AL - wanted to talk to Uniton and T community. and from Make UK about the consultation, asked to participate, looked at qu's, inputted, presented qu to unions, you can see issued through people we would take part. To all of the sites
ST - you involved or just aware
AL - involved

Just back in after I had to leave for meetings. Are they still wittering on about how marvelous and inclusive Leonardo are?

So L consulted unions, their own 'trans community' and MAKE UK for what the SC judgment meant for the company.

NC - rather than whispering less disruptive, do i have permission
J - if it's just instructions, do you ST object?
ST - no its normal. No issue

Just imagine what JR would have said in the same circs at the Fife tribunal- I can imagine a whole song and dance!

Pretty much.

From TT

AL - in union meetings, lead relationship with Make UK and did it collectively with senior union reps.
ST - this was June this year, how long did it run?
AL - ummm a couple of weeks?
ST - you involved in submission to Make UK>
AL - no was Rachel responsible for putting together

ST finished

Asking NC if want to start now or not

Yeah Naomi keen to make a start. As are we all, Naomi

NC wants to start

From TT

ST - may not be in your knowledge, but how many grievances uk wide about toilet facilities
AL - not aware
ST - no more qu's, will be from NC>

J - unlikely to finish today, com eback tomorrow?
NC - subject to objection..
J - can save time...
NC - inclined to make a start

Break til 3.30

Hooray! Switches from tunnocks to popcorn. Nice healthy home made popcorn.

NC given the opportunity by the judge to start her XX tomorrow but she'd rather get going now.

Naomi's going to make a start today. Please let this signal an impending mic drop!

Go for a wee, Andy, or you'll likely pee yourself when the NC'ing starts.

From TT

J - go ahead. whenever ready.
Discuss a short break.
Rise.

rubs hands in anticipation
Gets tea and cake

One of the papers has a photo of the lady with long hair under a headline about Maria. Am I correct in thinking Maria had the just below shoulder cut, and the longer haired lady is her solicitor or other legal team member?

Maria has very long hair, down to lower ribs I would say.

Andy's sitting tight.

That was a very telling response wasn't it. They didn't give a shit what the women thought.

That's strangely precise, IDareSay -

Hairdresser: How short would you like your hair to be when I've cut it?
Customer: I'm not sure - down to the humerous - or maybe the clavicle?

Only kidding, IDareSay, hope you don't mind

One yesterday put Maria's name on a photo of ST

I was trying to avoid mentioning breasts! 😁

I'm please MK has some friends there to support her