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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Teacher asked DD how she IDs

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S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 16:40

My DD is a tomboy - short hair and trousers all the way - but has always been very clear that she's a girl. While I respect how other people want to live their lives and their right to believe whatever bollocks they like, I don't do gender ideology and neither does she.
Ever since she's started secondary school, she's been asked by other kids if she's trans. It boils my piss and I've contacted the school about it but she tends to just tell people she's a girl and shrugs it off as she doesn't want to make a fuss.
However this week she was mistaken for a boy by a teacher. When she and her pals told her she was, in fact, a girl, the teacher took her aside at the end of the class and asked "how she identified" and if she'd "ever identified as anything other than a girl". DD says this teacher flies a pink and blue flag above her desk...
I am livid - it's bad enough DD gets this shit from other kids, let alone a teacher. I've no doubt the teacher thinks she's "being kind" but I feel her behaviour is steeped in reactionary gender stereotypes. I'm minded to complain - WWYD?

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Peregrina · 01/10/2025 17:45

It's worth a complaint simply because your daughter was upset. I would also ask the school to make the teacher apologise to her.

S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 17:47

InTheWellBeing · 01/10/2025 17:42

I’m not interested in hearing your gender wooo sweetheart

Who are you talking to here and what is your point?

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S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 17:49

DeanElderberry · 01/10/2025 17:24

It would be if she wasn't living in a world that also houses fuckwits like the teacher mentioned in the OP.

This 👆

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TheMercies · 01/10/2025 17:51

Apart from anything else it's a very personal topic and not one that a teacher should be prying into. It's similar to asking whether she's ever been attracted to women. If your dd brought the subject up and wanted advice then it might be appropriate for a teacher to listen to her concerns before signposting to the appropriate source of info / help.
But for a teacher to ask such personal info without context and in front of another student, is completely out of order.

DrowningInSyrup · 01/10/2025 17:56

InTheWellBeing · 01/10/2025 17:42

I’m not interested in hearing your gender wooo sweetheart

"Gender woo, sweetheart" I have no idea what you mean by this. Can you explain please?

barthmat · 01/10/2025 17:57

OP, you should start a crowdfunder to sue the school - this teacher needs to be disciplined and ultimately fired.

I'm sure lots of people will be more than happy to support you with a little gardening.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 01/10/2025 17:59

If the teacher buys into gender ideology they'd be outraged at a pupil who said they are trans being asked, are you sure, have you ever ID'd as your birth sex?

Can you imagine the reaction?!

If it's not an acceptable question one way, it's not acceptable the other way.

No debate. Innit.

I do, in all seriousness, think it would be reasonable to raise with someone that DD was upset/mortified that she was questioned publicly on her gender identity and that her first answer wasn't accepted.

Realitizard · 01/10/2025 18:12

I had to look up what the “ blue and pink flag“ meant. I am actually gobsmacked that a teacher can signal and promote their sexual politics in school in this way. I’m really shocked. The fact that the teacher was also questioning your daughter about her sexual identity is also out of order. (It’s so intrusive, creepy even). I would say something to the school. Unfortunately, my experience has been that over the last decade or two some teachers take it upon themselves to promote various politics when they really have no business in doing that. My son’s friend’s secondary school had huge Pride banners erected over the entrance to the school a few years back.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/10/2025 18:13

Please complain OP.
Until teachers like this are challenged about imposing their niche belief in sex change on children, they'll continue to impose this dangerous to the young political ideology on children in schools. Children are too young to understand or negotiate all the dangerous aspects of this and it's just wrong that adults in authority are allowed to behave like this.

WhereAreWeNow · 01/10/2025 18:20

I would complain.

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2025 18:42

Complain.

It's inappropriate to single your daughter out in this way.

Sundaymorningplans · 01/10/2025 18:51

maybe it wasn’t done in the most sensitive way, but I wonder if the teacher wanted to double check with her , just incase the other children that said she was a girl had it wrong / where being unkind.
it that instance I can understand why she would have a quiet conversation with her without other kids present.

so long as she doesn’t call her a boy again I would imagine that it’s matter closed .

I think you would be upset if the other kids had told the teacher the wrong thing and she didn’t bother to check with your daughter.

the flag thing is odd though . I wonder if they are trying to be supportive of someone.

StellaAndCrow · 01/10/2025 18:58

I think I'd feel like the teacher was saying that I wasn't "girly enough" to be a girl.

And I remember feeling like that.

I mean, is the teacher saying she looks like a boy?

Peregrina · 01/10/2025 18:58

it that instance I can understand why she would have a quiet conversation with her without other kids present.

She said that another child was present.

S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 19:03

Sundaymorningplans · 01/10/2025 18:51

maybe it wasn’t done in the most sensitive way, but I wonder if the teacher wanted to double check with her , just incase the other children that said she was a girl had it wrong / where being unkind.
it that instance I can understand why she would have a quiet conversation with her without other kids present.

so long as she doesn’t call her a boy again I would imagine that it’s matter closed .

I think you would be upset if the other kids had told the teacher the wrong thing and she didn’t bother to check with your daughter.

the flag thing is odd though . I wonder if they are trying to be supportive of someone.

My original post says that my DD - along with some pals - told the teacher that she is a girl. The teacher heard it from the horse's mouth - so there was absolutely no need to question her further.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 01/10/2025 19:06

@S1894PCohen - I would definitely complain. A teacher should not be initiating conversations with children about “identity,” still less suggesting to a child who is comfortable in her sex that she might be something else. That is not safeguarding, it’s grooming behaviour dressed up as kindness.

The Department for Education has been clear that schools may teach about gender identity, but must not present it as fact or encourage children to question their own sex. The Cass Review was explicit that reinforcing gender stereotypes risks harming children, especially girls who don’t conform to them.

If it were my child, I would send a formal safeguarding complaint to the Headteacher and the Designated Safeguarding Lead, asking:

  • Why a teacher was asking a child private questions about her “identity”;
  • What training this teacher has received and whether it is compliant with DfE and EHRC guidance;
  • What steps the school is taking to ensure staff do not promote contested ideology to children;
  • How they will ensure my child is not singled out again in this way.

Keep it polite but firm. Schools have a safeguarding duty, and the teacher’s actions here fall far outside what’s appropriate.

Something like....

Subject: Safeguarding concern, inappropriate questioning of my daughter

Dear (heads name, safeguarding head name)

I am writing to raise a formal safeguarding concern about an incident this week involving teacher X

My daughter, X, was mistaken for a boy in class. After clarifying that she is a girl, she was taken aside at the end of the lesson and asked by the teacher “how she identifies” and whether she had “ever identified as anything other than a girl.”

This is wholly inappropriate for several reasons:
• It is not the role of a teacher to raise such questions with a child.
• The Department for Education and the Cass Review have both been clear that gender identity is a contested belief, and must not be promoted in schools or presented as fact.
• Singling out a child in this way risks confusion, distress, and amounts to reinforcing gender stereotypes, which the Equality Act (2010) specifically prohibits.
• This is a safeguarding issue. No member of staff should be probing a child about their “identity” in private or encouraging them to question whether they are male or female.

I ask that the school urgently confirm:
1. What action will be taken to ensure this does not happen again.
2. What training staff have received on the teaching of sex and gender, and whether it complies with statutory guidance and the Cass Review.
3. What steps the school will take to protect my daughter from being singled out in this way again.

Please treat this as a formal safeguarding matter and respond in writing.

Yours sincerely,

Drop them an email and see what happens. That teacher has done it to other children......

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2025 19:09

DD says this teacher flies a pink and blue flag above her desk...

This is inappropriate too.

S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 19:10

StellaAndCrow · 01/10/2025 18:58

I think I'd feel like the teacher was saying that I wasn't "girly enough" to be a girl.

And I remember feeling like that.

I mean, is the teacher saying she looks like a boy?

Well she mistook her for a boy so I guess she thought she looked like a boy. My DD is used to that and although she finds it annoying, has no problem in speaking up to correct people.

What's really ground her gears in this instance, is that the teacher persisted in questioning her about gender ID, even though she'd been told DD is a girl.

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S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 19:12

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 01/10/2025 19:06

@S1894PCohen - I would definitely complain. A teacher should not be initiating conversations with children about “identity,” still less suggesting to a child who is comfortable in her sex that she might be something else. That is not safeguarding, it’s grooming behaviour dressed up as kindness.

The Department for Education has been clear that schools may teach about gender identity, but must not present it as fact or encourage children to question their own sex. The Cass Review was explicit that reinforcing gender stereotypes risks harming children, especially girls who don’t conform to them.

If it were my child, I would send a formal safeguarding complaint to the Headteacher and the Designated Safeguarding Lead, asking:

  • Why a teacher was asking a child private questions about her “identity”;
  • What training this teacher has received and whether it is compliant with DfE and EHRC guidance;
  • What steps the school is taking to ensure staff do not promote contested ideology to children;
  • How they will ensure my child is not singled out again in this way.

Keep it polite but firm. Schools have a safeguarding duty, and the teacher’s actions here fall far outside what’s appropriate.

Something like....

Subject: Safeguarding concern, inappropriate questioning of my daughter

Dear (heads name, safeguarding head name)

I am writing to raise a formal safeguarding concern about an incident this week involving teacher X

My daughter, X, was mistaken for a boy in class. After clarifying that she is a girl, she was taken aside at the end of the lesson and asked by the teacher “how she identifies” and whether she had “ever identified as anything other than a girl.”

This is wholly inappropriate for several reasons:
• It is not the role of a teacher to raise such questions with a child.
• The Department for Education and the Cass Review have both been clear that gender identity is a contested belief, and must not be promoted in schools or presented as fact.
• Singling out a child in this way risks confusion, distress, and amounts to reinforcing gender stereotypes, which the Equality Act (2010) specifically prohibits.
• This is a safeguarding issue. No member of staff should be probing a child about their “identity” in private or encouraging them to question whether they are male or female.

I ask that the school urgently confirm:
1. What action will be taken to ensure this does not happen again.
2. What training staff have received on the teaching of sex and gender, and whether it complies with statutory guidance and the Cass Review.
3. What steps the school will take to protect my daughter from being singled out in this way again.

Please treat this as a formal safeguarding matter and respond in writing.

Yours sincerely,

Drop them an email and see what happens. That teacher has done it to other children......

Thank you so much for this. I am going to complain.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 01/10/2025 19:15

@S1894PCohen I applaud you standing up to this nonsense and please let us know what they say. I'd advise on my own experience to keep this in writing, not face to face or phone calls...

User1839474 · 01/10/2025 19:15

InTheWellBeing · 01/10/2025 17:18

My DD is a tomboy - short hair and trousers all the way - but has always been very clear that she's a girl.

What do you mean by “has always been very clear that she's a girl”?

Other than being a biological female what does she do to make it clear?

I took it to mean when children question her she is clear to them that she’s a girl. My daughter gets questioned by other children regularly and she is also clear that she’s a girl.

Sundaymorningplans · 01/10/2025 19:20

S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 19:03

My original post says that my DD - along with some pals - told the teacher that she is a girl. The teacher heard it from the horse's mouth - so there was absolutely no need to question her further.

But what if the pals weren’t actually pals and daughter didn’t feel comfortable sharing in front of them or was going all with their comments to save face ? It seems like the teacher didn’t know your daughter so wouldn’t know her friends

ultimately you have to follow up with school/ your daughter however works best for you and you daughter, and if you do feel strongly send an email - if you’re not sure it should be a complaint I suppose you could just feed it back that she felt uncomfortable

I’m not sure that the teacher was being purposefully upsetting from what I understand from your posts , but I hope you reach a conclusion that your daughters comfortable with

S1894PCohen · 01/10/2025 19:30

Sundaymorningplans · 01/10/2025 19:20

But what if the pals weren’t actually pals and daughter didn’t feel comfortable sharing in front of them or was going all with their comments to save face ? It seems like the teacher didn’t know your daughter so wouldn’t know her friends

ultimately you have to follow up with school/ your daughter however works best for you and you daughter, and if you do feel strongly send an email - if you’re not sure it should be a complaint I suppose you could just feed it back that she felt uncomfortable

I’m not sure that the teacher was being purposefully upsetting from what I understand from your posts , but I hope you reach a conclusion that your daughters comfortable with

I hear what you're saying but given that the teacher flies a trans flag in her teaching room, her follow-up questions feel a bit off.

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BonfireLady · 01/10/2025 19:36

Hoardasurass · 01/10/2025 16:55

I'd complain to the school about this teacher, her flag and the inappropriate questioning of your dd. That teacher has no right to foist her ideology on her students and whilst it maybe water off your dds back the next child might not be so strong to ignore the pressure

This. Although, I would caveat it by saying that if my child didn't want me to complain about a teacher, I wouldn't.

My short-haired daughter was taught "gender neutral" pronouns by the French teacher when she was actively gender questioning 3 years ago and her sister's Spanish teacher was almost insistent that she (younger sister) would be better off referring to her sister with gender neutral pronouns - the question "are you sure she's not non-binary?" was asked. I respected my daughters' wishes not to complain but, through various conversations, I was subsequently able to secure the removal of all the trans pronoun posters in the language corridor and rooms. Sadly, the school still supports teachers sharing their preferred pronouns with children because its lawyers told them it is their "freedom of expression" to do so.... and things have gone from bad to worse when it comes to getting the school to follow safeguarding legislation... but that's another story. On a plus note, so far I've been able to make enough headway to keep my daughter safe.

If you do complain, I would point to it being against safeguarding legislation and Teachers' Standards, both of which are statutory, given teachers should know that:

a) if a child is gender questioning they are at risk as per paras 204-208 of the statutory safeguarding guidance for schools (Keeping Children Safe In Education 2025). So by definition, actively seeking to signpost a child to become gender questioning, simply because she has short hair (?!), is a safeguarding risk
b) it is important to recognise the impact of sharing a personal belief with a vulnerable child - as a school child, she is vulnerable to being coerced by an adult into a belief system that can quickly lead to a pathway of harm (the KCSIE safeguarding guidance cites the Cass Report, which makes it clear that social transition is not a neutral act and can lead to a pathway of medical intervention).

From Teachers' Standards (bold is mine):

ensuring that personal beliefs are not expressed in ways which exploit
pupils’ vulnerability or might lead them to break the law.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 01/10/2025 19:56

It also directly contradicts what is made very clear in the RSE curriculum

You should not reinforce harmful stereotypes, for instance by suggesting that children might be a different gender based on their personality and interests or the clothes they prefer to wear.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum

Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum

Information to help school leaders plan, develop and implement the new statutory curriculum.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum