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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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viques · 29/09/2025 18:49

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:32

I understand everything JK is saying and agree with her. But is it really necessary to publicly eviscerate someone? Isn’t this exactly what JK is accusing Emma of doing to her? Haven’t we all made mistake in our lives, big and small that deserve forgiveness?

I think JKR explains quite clearly what the straw that broke the camels back was. She has been remarkably restrained for a good many years, ignored the barbs and snide remarks, but EWs sanctimonious virtue signalling was too much.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 18:50

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 18:36

It was clearly rhetorical and metaphorical as a reference to "all the witches" and also "burn" as a well known slang term for a verbal cutdown (see also "roast").

I can see why you're confused because when the thugs on your side talk about burning, hanging, shooting and stabbing women, they mean it literally. But that doesn't matter, obviously.

I always also associated ‘burn’ with burn with embarrassment. It is certainly not a call for violence.

sillygoof · 29/09/2025 18:51

The BBC article has been amended, I’m sure - it had the ‘bar one’ referenced earlier, but now it doesn’t. I bet EW has had it removed.

Pyjamatimenow · 29/09/2025 18:51

Lordy. Well that told you, Miss Watson. Bravo

SirBasil · 29/09/2025 18:51

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

not in the UK

Linenpickle · 29/09/2025 18:52

JK has been remarkably controlled on not giving the stupid Emma and the others a right rollicking when they deserve it. Very good for JK.

viques · 29/09/2025 18:52

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

Phew. Thank goodness I am a woman therefore safe from rape and murder.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 18:53

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:38

So you believe all truths should be spoken no matter the harm caused?

Not all (I'm holding back on one right now), but this one was totally fair and justified. Watson traduced JKR publicly for long enough and has now publicly done the "oh let's be friends, don't be mean" thing, and JKR, after everything she's been through and the harm caused to her, has every right to respond. She's been far nicer in this response than Watson ever was.

OrdinaryGirl · 29/09/2025 18:55

borntobequiet · 29/09/2025 15:48

They left out the really important bit “except one”.

I’ve re-watched the video - EW did just say ‘I’m here for all the witches’… but then she does mouth the words ‘but one’, silently 😱
It’s really hard to see unless you zoom in - I never noticed that before!

DrBlackbird · 29/09/2025 18:56

Some part of me still feels sorry for EW and that it is not unusual for her as a young liberal woman to think she was striving to bekind and not unusual to speak rashly and thoughtlessly and be caught up in the ‘right side of history’ thinking. So many of them do. Less forgiveness for older women who also follow that line but ought to know better. But, I know, I know.

DworkinWasRight · 29/09/2025 18:57

gotmyknickersinatwist · 29/09/2025 18:28

And she is now doing a post-grad in creative writing.
I do wonder if she has plans/hopes/delusions to become a writer.
As highlighted in The Critic piece linked in the other thread, this jarring sentence - 'Trans people are who they say they are and deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren’t who they say they are' whatever writing skills she has developed through her education to-date aren't showing themselves.

I have wondered whether this about-turn has come about because she hopes JKR will help her in her writing career. Some chance!

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 18:58

DrBlackbird · 29/09/2025 18:56

Some part of me still feels sorry for EW and that it is not unusual for her as a young liberal woman to think she was striving to bekind and not unusual to speak rashly and thoughtlessly and be caught up in the ‘right side of history’ thinking. So many of them do. Less forgiveness for older women who also follow that line but ought to know better. But, I know, I know.

Emma Watson is 35, not 17.
She is an adult, university educated woman. She knows what she's saying, and that is her responsibility alone.
Why older women should have more responsibility is ageist, surely?

teawamutu · 29/09/2025 18:59

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 18:50

I always also associated ‘burn’ with burn with embarrassment. It is certainly not a call for violence.

Exactly. 'Ointment for that burn, miss?' sort of thing.

But the bloody cheek of Trandora alleging that this is literal violence and that trans people are raped and murdered in droves when they're the safest bloody demographic in the UK and more likely to be murderers than murdered is a double whammy of brass neckage even by their usual standards.

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:59

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 18:53

Not all (I'm holding back on one right now), but this one was totally fair and justified. Watson traduced JKR publicly for long enough and has now publicly done the "oh let's be friends, don't be mean" thing, and JKR, after everything she's been through and the harm caused to her, has every right to respond. She's been far nicer in this response than Watson ever was.

What has EW said about JK publicly apart from the witches thing (which was absolutely awful)? This isn’t a challenge - more just wondering as you clearly know..

viques · 29/09/2025 19:00

DworkinWasRight · 29/09/2025 18:57

I have wondered whether this about-turn has come about because she hopes JKR will help her in her writing career. Some chance!

More likely she is scared that JKR would be asked to critique her offering. Because that didn’t go well for Nicola did it? JKR didn’t hold back.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:00

DrBlackbird · 29/09/2025 18:56

Some part of me still feels sorry for EW and that it is not unusual for her as a young liberal woman to think she was striving to bekind and not unusual to speak rashly and thoughtlessly and be caught up in the ‘right side of history’ thinking. So many of them do. Less forgiveness for older women who also follow that line but ought to know better. But, I know, I know.

But why did she never speak out about the abuse JKR experienced and still does? If she's so kind and liberal? That's what I could never understand.

nomas · 29/09/2025 19:02

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:32

I understand everything JK is saying and agree with her. But is it really necessary to publicly eviscerate someone? Isn’t this exactly what JK is accusing Emma of doing to her? Haven’t we all made mistake in our lives, big and small that deserve forgiveness?

If JKR hadn’t spoken up, how would we have known the hypocrisy of EW singling out JKR as an unwanted witch in public and secretly sending JKR a pity note?

AntiHop · 29/09/2025 19:05

JKR is so eloquent.

ChelseaBagger · 29/09/2025 19:05

Whilst the adults in charge of the Harry Potter actors do seem to have done a better job of protecting them than some other child stars, still it seems this type of childhood has left its mark. Emma Watson comes across as incredibly young. I wonder what opportunities she's had to learn and understand adult interactions and relationships.

Watson says she wishes that people (JKR) would love her despite differences of opinion (JKR says very explicitly that her beliefs are not the issue, it's her manner of conduct) and at the same time EW says she's struggling to reconcile loving and respecting JKR, and owing her so much, with her holding a different point of view on this one issue.

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 19:05

nomas · 29/09/2025 19:02

If JKR hadn’t spoken up, how would we have known the hypocrisy of EW singling out JKR as an unwanted witch in public and secretly sending JKR a pity note?

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So all the mistakes we make in life, all the hypocrisies, should be called out in front of the whole world, then all will be righted.

Harassedevictee · 29/09/2025 19:08

What a class act JKR is. 👏👏👏

I don’t necessarily always agree with her posts on X, after all it would be really boring if we all agreed, but I totally respect her right to write them. Her support for women’s rights is unequivocal; she has been treated appallingly with the death threats abuse etc. and risen above it all.

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 19:09

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:00

But why did she never speak out about the abuse JKR experienced and still does? If she's so kind and liberal? That's what I could never understand.

I think for certain kind liberals, it's about what they think makes them look good.

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 19:11

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 19:05

So all the mistakes we make in life, all the hypocrisies, should be called out in front of the whole world, then all will be righted.

I don't think I have any right to know anything about the ins and outs of Watson and Rowling's relationship, but Watson brought the subject into the public sphere.

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 29/09/2025 19:11

So glad Jo flagged the fact Emma, and the other cast of HP do not have to agree with her opinions.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:13

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 19:09

I think for certain kind liberals, it's about what they think makes them look good.

But I don't understand how she thought completely ignoring the tsunami of death and rape threats made her look good! She wasn't the only one, of course, but... how did any of them think it made them look good not to ever condemn it?

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