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Howseitgoin · 19/09/2025 11:44

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hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:45

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Oh dear.

The projection is strong in this one.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:45

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TBH it is you that is like the smell of a "bad fart". BBM has been posting on this board for many years and is a valued contributor. Your posts on the otherhand......
This is the Feminism and Women's rights board...but somehow it has ended up pulling in lots of conspiracy theorists from elsewhere on the site.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:46

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:45

TBH it is you that is like the smell of a "bad fart". BBM has been posting on this board for many years and is a valued contributor. Your posts on the otherhand......
This is the Feminism and Women's rights board...but somehow it has ended up pulling in lots of conspiracy theorists from elsewhere on the site.

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It IS entertaining though, tbf. Quite incredible.

They walk among us indeed.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:49

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:38

CO will never accept any evidence. And why should BM have to provide it?

Because she’s suing for libel.

That is not a logical thought sequence.

She is suing for libel because of these malicious and hurtful conspiracies that are widely in circulation in the dark corners of the internet.....it does not therefore follow that she MUST submit to sex testing. If she chooses to, that's her call.

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:50

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:19

Except Khelif is obviously male and BM is obviously female. It's not to do with stereotypes of "femininity". You seem very confused.

Do you really not understand human perception and how sex perception is one of the first things we learn? It's quite outside of hairstyles and clothes too (as the many replicated pieces of research would tell you).

I’m not remotely confused. I also don’t subscribe to “you can always tell”. Perhaps some people can but I am not one of those people. Especially now that people take hormones and have surgeries to make themselves look like the opposite sex.

As far as BM goes I have no idea whether she is male or female. I don’t know how anyone professes to be certain either way.

aintgonnarain · 19/09/2025 12:00

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:01

And even if BM is a man (she isn’t), so what?

He can stay out of women's safe spaces for one.

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/09/2025 12:02

aintgonnarain · 19/09/2025 12:00

He can stay out of women's safe spaces for one.

BM is not a man. How many men have given birth to two babies? Would her former husband not have spoken out long ago?

Honestly, such mad nonsense on this thread.

miraxxx · 19/09/2025 12:03

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:14

Including rare photo evidence although this is not by far the most compelling of all the evidence uncovered

If not for Fucking Nutcase Owens, all these silly numpties confidently parading their 'facts' will slink back into the woodwork. They are nothing without CO. The court case will cut off the head of the snake and BM will walk stiffly off into the sunset with his, oops her millions.

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:05

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:23

This really is the poitics of the hopelessly confused....of people who grasp onto media content and then do weird things with it because they've not really learned to think critically about any of it.

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This is so, so true. To watch it unfold, trying to believe desperately that they can't help it, don't do it on purpose and it's not their fault, is tireless, I just hope this isn't a sign of dark times to come as they're utterly blind to how, what can only be described as a metaphorical.mind virus will come to end. I do think we've had it so easy for so long, the vast wealth and rights we're all so lucky to share as UK citizens are being taken for granted. This must be what happens when people have no perception or bearing of what it means to suffer, or to have hardship, as nothing gets through like it should. I worry about this so much every day.

miraxxx · 19/09/2025 12:07

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:45

TBH it is you that is like the smell of a "bad fart". BBM has been posting on this board for many years and is a valued contributor. Your posts on the otherhand......
This is the Feminism and Women's rights board...but somehow it has ended up pulling in lots of conspiracy theorists from elsewhere on the site.

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It is all of recent vintage, the power of obvious grifting nutcases like Candace Owens to pull in the stupids is quite phenomenal. The MAGA groypers do form a subset of the hard right in the US and globally.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 12:10

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:50

I’m not remotely confused. I also don’t subscribe to “you can always tell”. Perhaps some people can but I am not one of those people. Especially now that people take hormones and have surgeries to make themselves look like the opposite sex.

As far as BM goes I have no idea whether she is male or female. I don’t know how anyone professes to be certain either way.

The vast majority of people can actually do this, as per all the research over the years. As I say, it's a cognitive ability most of us learn as babies, so I'm sorry that this is something you find difficult, as it's quite unusual to be unable to.

People can't literally change sex, and yes, in the VAST majority of cases, most people around them will be able to tell their actual sex. Especially with males who have taken steps to "transition" (although they can't literally do this) to what they imagine female is. With female to male, it's a little harder but is still largely obvious in real life.

miraxxx · 19/09/2025 12:13

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:32

It sucks when people tell lies about you. Most of us just have to suck it up. The Macrons are privileged enough to have the money and resources to initiate court action. This is a choice but obviously to win they will need to provide evidence to show that CO is wrong. Personally I think they are making things much worse for themselves.

If I were BM, I would have leaned into my supposed manliness just to piss off the loonies even more. After all we are talking about a woman who weathered a much bigger scandal ...

Merrymouse · 19/09/2025 12:15

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:50

I’m not remotely confused. I also don’t subscribe to “you can always tell”. Perhaps some people can but I am not one of those people. Especially now that people take hormones and have surgeries to make themselves look like the opposite sex.

As far as BM goes I have no idea whether she is male or female. I don’t know how anyone professes to be certain either way.

As far as BM goes I have no idea whether she is male or female. I don’t know how anyone professes to be certain either way.

Leaving aside her appearance (and she must have had amazing surgery and hormone treatment a long time ago), she would have had to have concealed the nature of her children's births for getting on for 50 years - and what for? Because she was aspiring to be married to the President of France decades later? Macron is certainly not universally popular in France, but apparently nobody has thought it worth their while to sell any details of how this was done? None of the nurses or doctors at the hospital? The cleaners? People related to the woman who actually gave birth?

You might as well argue that the Macrons are aliens or robots. I can't prove that they aren't, but does that mean that it's 50/50 whether they are? What other negatives should people in the public eye be forced to prove?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 12:19

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/09/2025 12:02

BM is not a man. How many men have given birth to two babies? Would her former husband not have spoken out long ago?

Honestly, such mad nonsense on this thread.

I do feel I need to be handing out grips on this thread. This right here is the reason I’ve had AIBU hidden for years

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 12:20

miraxxx · 19/09/2025 12:07

It is all of recent vintage, the power of obvious grifting nutcases like Candace Owens to pull in the stupids is quite phenomenal. The MAGA groypers do form a subset of the hard right in the US and globally.

Can you explain for those that don't really know ( including myself)...what is a GROYPER?

Chaosclassic · 19/09/2025 12:21

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:10

How? We already know about the (likely) teen grooming story, which has been a story that's been out there for many years now, so that's not really a new "can of worms" at all.

In what way is BM being a woman (which she obviously is) a "can of worms"?

If she is a woman.
Where’s the brother?
Wheres his life?
Where’s pictures of bridgette at school?.
Why does no one from her school know her..
Who’s the uncle?
Where her pre-macron school teacher life?!

Just off the top of my head. It was months ago I looked at this and parked it under ‘mystery likely to develop’ 🫠

And here we have a potential development.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 12:22

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 12:10

The vast majority of people can actually do this, as per all the research over the years. As I say, it's a cognitive ability most of us learn as babies, so I'm sorry that this is something you find difficult, as it's quite unusual to be unable to.

People can't literally change sex, and yes, in the VAST majority of cases, most people around them will be able to tell their actual sex. Especially with males who have taken steps to "transition" (although they can't literally do this) to what they imagine female is. With female to male, it's a little harder but is still largely obvious in real life.

Just for the record, btw. (it's a well-established finding, not just a personal "belief") here's one of many example papers where citations to the previous research findings on ability to perceive sex is stated:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004269892200133X

For example, from the introduction, on human faces:

"Nevertheless, among the most reliable information that a human face provides is the sex or gender of its owner. In a sociocultural context, there are several conventional signals that indicate a person’s sex through their faces, such as hairstyle, facial hair, clothing (hat, bonne), accessories, makeup, etc. However, research shows that even when all these traditional cues are removed, people are still able to identify sex with 96–98 % accuracy from facial stimuli (Bruce et al., 1993; Bruce, Ellis, Gibling, & Young, 1987; Saether, Van Belle, Laeng, Brennen, & Øvervoll, 2009). "

As I say, it's really only a small minority of people who do not seem to have the ability to correctly sex others. With other cues that you'll get in the real world apart from faces, such as gait, build etc, it becomes even more obvious. It's purely physical, and not to do with things like hair or outfit, as the above notes.

eatfigs · 19/09/2025 12:25

Chaosclassic · 19/09/2025 12:21

If she is a woman.
Where’s the brother?
Wheres his life?
Where’s pictures of bridgette at school?.
Why does no one from her school know her..
Who’s the uncle?
Where her pre-macron school teacher life?!

Just off the top of my head. It was months ago I looked at this and parked it under ‘mystery likely to develop’ 🫠

And here we have a potential development.

Where's the brother?

In court winning defamation cases over this nonsense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0l0z1p628o

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 12:25

Chaosclassic · 19/09/2025 12:21

If she is a woman.
Where’s the brother?
Wheres his life?
Where’s pictures of bridgette at school?.
Why does no one from her school know her..
Who’s the uncle?
Where her pre-macron school teacher life?!

Just off the top of my head. It was months ago I looked at this and parked it under ‘mystery likely to develop’ 🫠

And here we have a potential development.

Brigitte Macron’s brother

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&sca_esv=a6493d853efe4d30&hl=en-gb&q=Jean-Claude+Trogneux&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLVT9c3NEzLyEnKKkzKUULlPmK04BZ4-eOesJT-pDUnrzFqcnEFZ-SXu-aVZJZUCklzsUFZglL8XKg6eRaxinilJubpOucklqakKoQU5afnpZZWAAC-djZPcgAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbnfGZ2-SPAxWzWEEAHXyLIHIQzIcDegQIEhAl&biw=375&bih=548&dpr=2

it took me 30 seconds

you’re welcome

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.co.uk/search?bih=548&biw=375&client=safari&dpr=2&hl=en-gb&q=Jean-Claude+Trogneux&sa=X&sca_esv=a6493d853efe4d30&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLVT9c3NEzLyEnKKkzKUULlPmK04BZ4-eOesJT-pDUnrzFqcnEFZ-SXu-aVZJZUCklzsUFZglL8XKg6eRaxinilJubpOucklqakKoQU5afnpZZWAAC-djZPcgAAAA&ved=2ahUKEwjbnfGZ2-SPAxWzWEEAHXyLIHIQzIcDegQIEhAl

Mrsmounjaro · 19/09/2025 12:44

Brigettes brother in question is jean michel trogneux not jean claude

YourLemonTiger · 19/09/2025 12:50

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:50

I’m not remotely confused. I also don’t subscribe to “you can always tell”. Perhaps some people can but I am not one of those people. Especially now that people take hormones and have surgeries to make themselves look like the opposite sex.

As far as BM goes I have no idea whether she is male or female. I don’t know how anyone professes to be certain either way.

In a photo I agree because of filters/different angles etc.

In the flesh, especially walking around you can always tell because men and women always move differently and no amount of surgery is going to correct a male gait, longer arms etc.

Look up Hunter shaffer who transitioned years ago while still young. In photos Hunter looks feminine, but as soon as you see Hunter walk the runway Hunters sex is obvious.

YourLemonTiger · 19/09/2025 12:54

eatfigs · 19/09/2025 12:25

Where's the brother?

In court winning defamation cases over this nonsense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0l0z1p628o

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An internet fortune teller was involved i see. It's a pity they didn't predict the outcome of the whole bollocks and save themselves some money 😂😂😂😂

TheCatsTongue · 19/09/2025 13:00

The only conspiracy theory I can see around this is that France is heading for financial ruin and Macron could well be out of a job, I think they're looking at this case as easy money and a good way to make a few million before they're kicked out of office.

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