Another breastfeeding one

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Couldn’t see a thread on this.
In the latest of Breastfeeding batshittery..‘Breastfeeding and Lactation Support UK’ have today posted this.

I am so angered by it. The UK breastfeeding rates are amongst some of the lowest globally. We should be empowering women, not erasing them. Encouraging them to leave if they disagree?? They should be ashamed.

“We are an inclusive group! Inclusive I say! Except if you have certain beliefs and don’t pander to fairy stories, in which case you can fuck off.”

You cannot feed a baby from your body without breasts. This disgusts me, a breastfeeding support group that essentially is a trojan horse for trans-activists and/or predatory men. I've a good mind to contact the newspapers about this to raise awareness.

The ironic thing is, we’ve had orders of magnitude more questionable and outright blatant “creepy men” attempting to join today on the back of all this, than on any other average day.

Guess what? None of them will make it in because our vetting procedures are pretty damn robust. As we’ve all discussed numerous times on this thread.

But sure, go off about how we don’t protect the space for our members as best as we damn well can.

On here prowling about?! Op dragged her publicly on an online platform including her name and the name of her group... she hasn't asked for any of this?! I cannot understand this mentality. I can't even imagine how difficult it's going to be for them to moderate this group going forward and the impact this could potentially have on the people who are genuinely depending on it.

Noone is making their fortune off breastfeeding support- or if they are they're seriously in the minority. The vast majority are either in a hcp or like me they're volunteering their free time because they are trying their bloody best to help in the way they think is fairest for everyone.

Just because it's not how you would do it, or because it doesn't conform to a GC viewpoint or in actuality just accommodates that some people don't agree with a GC viewpoint irregardless of what they personally think doesn't mean they are anti- women/ on the prowl/ some sort of sexual deviant or any of the other slanderous comments that have been made on this thread.

There has been hate towards myself including aggressive emojis of the middle finger being directed at me and derogatory name calling.

No you can follow the group rules you AGREED to when joining or not be in the group and that goes for ALL rules. Dont join if you don't like the rules. Simple concept really. Why join a group if you don't like the rules to then complain about said rules?

"I think it's awful you're getting personal hate about this having been posted online that's wrong"... "I think I'll take it to the papers"

I mean...

If you’re letting men in, even if they delude themselves they’re women, you’re putting your members at risk. That’s not protecting them.

Transwomen are men, and so if you allow access in you’re allowing creepy men in, as they’re using their delusion to push their way into a group.

I mean I wouldn’t beat yourselves up about it. It’s only Facebook. I know Facebook admins like to think they’re working for the UN and have an inflated sense of self, but you have no statutory obligations to these women. But decent people would say up front that not only are you likely to have creepy men on the group but you’re gonna go all Stasi on women who don’t have certain views

As long as you tell them there’s men on the group.

Wow you are coming across as extremely authoritarian and controlling. Again.

I am one of the many supporters who do it absolutely free of charge. I get NO incentives for running the group I haven't ever one benefitted financially from the group in the entire 8 years I've ran the group. I have spent countless amount of hours day in day out, week after week for years running the group, fundraising to support more peer supporters, recruiting new admins, making guides on frequently asked questions and updating these constantly, managing the admin team. The amount of hours I've put in completely free is more than I could ever count. So it's insane for people to suggest it's for an ulterior motive or that I don't care about women and babies.

It's been clarified repeatedly that trans women are not allowed to join this group and its for women, and trans/ non binary people who were born female.

They know there are trans men on the group, they are aware we are inclusive to ALL LACTATING PEOPLE regardless of their gender identity. They are also aware that if someone doesn't lactate they can't join the group..not a nerd concept for most.

Funnily enough I am allowed to control who is in a group I made and run. I am allowed to remove members for not following rules they agreed to. Otherwise what would be the point in even having rules. Others could argue not allowing cis men in to the group is also controlling. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Like I say, some people were born to be Facebook admins.
I mean controlling how people post a greeting 🤣 ridiculous. Facebook admins forget that other people have more in their life than that group

*Women

The word is women

*men

No cis needed

If a mother is desperate the last place she should be going is to an online group which relies on admin being available at the time she needs which often they may not be due to their own work, their own children, their lives etc it's not a 24/7 service. It's completely volunteer led. They'd be better utilising the breastfeeding helpline which is 24/7/365 and allows them to physically speak to a human not online message which takes time and can often be delayed. New members also cant post for the first 3 days whilst they read the rules, read all the guides etc. We also have a rule that URGENT posts are sent to the admin inbox not the group due to said delays. But again as this is manned by volunteers help is not instantaneous so we would not be the correct source for support for someone who is desperate.

Emotional manipulation tactics haha I've read it all now.

Except "cis" is needed as it signals that the person in reference aligns with their biological sex

Then they don't need to be in it do they? They can find another which aligns with their beliefs more no one is held hostage in the group.

There are ways to get support when in immediate crisis. LLL for example have phone numbers available which were a god send for me when mine stopped nursing one weekend and I was in a panic. Similarly text chains attached to in-person support groups.

A moderated Facebook page is not usually going to be the best place for a crisis because they all have moderation processes and if they don't they really should for safeguarding purposes. I've been on multiple bf groups at various points and I've never been able to post directly I've always had to wait for an admin approval which could be hours or longer.

ETA that given your earlier comments about being on loads of bf pages and groups (which you were going to slander the other poster and her page on) I find it strange that you don't know this unless you perhaps are only reading without posting on them.

It’s really not needed.

A man is an adult human male.

No matter how we dresses or how many stereotypes of women he perpetuates

When I struggled to feed DD, I was desperate. I needed women with experience at 11pm to tell me WTF I was doing wrong. I went to a Facebook group to get help.

If I’d been told by some trumped up little wannabe dictator that I couldn’t use a certain language in my greetings I’d think they were such a massive loser who don’t care about women but are on a power trip.

Why the need to even over-moderate. Just let people crack on and say whatever harmless terms they wanna say

Hours if youre lucky - can be days depending on how busy it is, how many admins are active etc or there are groups that allow all posts but don't check responses and often there's lots of unsafe inaccurate information shared. Phone lines are definitely a better option or local infant feeding services, an IBCLC if possible etc.