Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

[ThatZanyFatball]

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

Oh I agree, I may have worded it badly. Not meant to mock the speculation, more just stunned that, given how James Bond-y it seemed, it actually turned out to just be some regular looking lad who thought dumping the rifle with his prints on in a bush just across the road from the roof he carried out the assassination on was a good idea.

'hate'.

As in when a 13 year old rants at his parents that they hate him because they asked him to tidy his room and do his homework.

That's about the level of it.

Rather than deep and meaningful understanding of political nuance and understanding.

Main Character Syndrome arrogance that he's special.

I never said it wasn't. I disagreed with the statement that there's no such thing. You're trying to shoehorn loads of other stuff in there which frankly I can't be arsed to read.

@Datun when they come up against the massive brick wall of real life, everything shatters

It seems to me that we are living through a time when the old left/right, liberal/authoritarian divides (as measured by the political compass test, which is still worth taking https://www.politicalcompass.org/test ) are not understood by a lot of young people, who experience a world where the big divide is between people who live in reality and people who live in illusion, and for whom illusion is more important than material reality, science, facts, sex, life and death.

That is a religious mindset, and unlike a lot of the old religions, including Judaism and Christianity, where over the centuries those who prioritise the material and/or spiritual realities have worked to find a balance, this new belief system cannot cope with heresy or atheists.

Without something shattering.

I re-did the political compass test, and was somewhat surprised that I came out near the centre of the left/libertarian quadrant, much where I was a few years ago. The reason I'm surprised is that I feel I'm less inclined to give the "right" answer than I was, less inclined to "virtue signal", and more comfortable with being a mix of "progressive" and "conservative". Maybe the questions missed asking about my more conservative side. Maybe my conservative side is balanced by my liberal instincts to let people behave in ways I don't personally like provided they don't directly impact other people negatively.

Just on that theme:

There used to be a neopagan blogger called The Archdruid, who was an older guy who had been around the scene for decades. I don't know if his blog is still around.

He once said something very interesting about young people - let's be honest, overwhelmingly young women - who come onto the pagan or occult scene with a lot of political baggage in which they were far too emotionally invested. Not that they necessarily had a deep understanding of politics, but they were very passionate about their team.

He noticed that they immediately wanted to go to the dark stuff, hexes and curses. He advised them that even if they knew what they were doing, that was dangerous; even if you don't believe in black magic, conducting rituals with an intense focus on negative emotions was not healthy. His advice was to focus on something constructive they wanted to achieve in the world, and to generate some positive energy around that. The girls weren't interested. They just wanted to know how to hex Trump.

We've always had mystics alongside materialists, and most of us have a bit of both. I think what's new about our postmodern/queer/gamer moment is a lot of people have this idea that they can construct their ideal fantasy world and impose it on material reality. Even L Ron Hubbard might have thought they were going a bit too far with it.

I don't doubt that but I also think the internet can amplify stuff. We'd be blissfully unaware of a lot of it if we didn't read it online.

That was exactly my experience. I dont feel like I align with many people who say they are on the left nowadays - but maybe that is their fault not ours!

This gives a wider picture of his discord messages.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

Was challenging myself today to listen to diverse viewpoints and in the process ended up watching this today. Made alot of sense. Its 25 minutes long ( you can speed it up if time pressed) but we the people could learn alot from this both sides of the pond how the division is coming from the top and joe bloggs are suffering because of it.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

So do you reckon it was his gaming and coming to terms with his sexuality that was at the root of it? And there's nothing new about adolescent sexual confusion. So gaming. I knew the young need reasoning and comprehension training, but it seems this poor kid needed the concept of reality explained to him.

What about cannabis or cannabinoid vapes? Much less benign that it seemed in the sixties.

Loads? It's a one paragraph post.

I found that to be a highly informative article. The author seems to have made efforts for conclusions to follow from the facts.

I have a couple of reasons why I am not convinced by that article (this post assumes his guilt) -

(1) He drove 260 to shoot and kill someone heavily linked to politics - that in my opinion pretty much means that by definition he was utterly crazy (no evidence for this beyond the shooting) or pretty damn interested in politics and opposed to Kirk.

(2) An old friend who spends time on a discord server with him, may have an insight into what he was like 8 years ago (or whenever) plus an insight into how he behaves on a particular server with people he has known for years. This does not rule out the possibility he was on loads of other discord servers, with very different people and saying very different things.

I agree with those points @JamieCannister

Oh how sweet, notice Klippenstein entirely avoided the furry connection because it's not sweet, it's a depraved adult fetish brought on by porn and trans-identifying gay men are into it. He never mentioned the trans mass shootings in the US by trans youths, nor did he mention Armed Queers Salt Lake City being investigated by the FBI as the head Ermiya Fanaeian is a trans-identifying male, Marxist revolutionary. Transtifa is real.

There is a lot of suspicion online re: if the text chat with the boyfriend was staged as a cover up.

I think it’s possible. I also think it’s possible that the stilted old-lady tone is an autistic trait or similar cognitive difference.

I expect LE will figure this out soon, especially as I presume TR will now be having various tests and observations re: potential presence of mental illness, ND and/or personality disorders.

In some ways I am reminded of the two teens who killed Brianna Ghey - not that Tyler or Lance have been shown to have any interest in online gore thus far, but the emotional immaturity and matter of factness in the texts, coupled with the belief that they would outsmart LE and get away with a high profile crime committed in daylight, on a route with lots of CCTV and dozens of witnesses seems like a similarly?

Stupid young people who cannot even imagine that there are adults who can out-think them is not a new thing, but playing games online seems to facilitate it

Agreed. Playing games seems to make them think they’re the only clever, sentient beings and others are mere props and obstacles. They’re probably quite skilled at whatever games they play, so were confident they’d win.

I know people often criticise the internet, but I think gaming is bad too. I work with children and I think it affects their brains - their ability to think, their maturity, their understanding of other people and the world around them.

This reminds me of the NHS Fife Friday afternoon press release debacle; chatGPT denied it that it wrote it. 😡 But then it would, wouldn't it? 😂

That puts me in mind of the Hollywood female superhero/villain trope. Women ‘fighting’ men twice their size and winning seems to have been part of the convincing of some dafties that there is no real need for a female sporting category.

Has anyone seen that the bomb squad are at Turning Point HQ in Phoenix? This is the second bomb scare I’ve seen reported since the assassination. The previous one was an attack on a Fox News vehicle. 😬

Looks like the bomb threat in Phoenix AZ was a suspiciously abandoned bag - no idea if it was an innocent accident (I once had a mild panic that the Met’s bomb squad might waste hundreds of thousands pounds detonating the school backpack my son had left on the East London line!) or a malicious prank at a time when Turning Point employees and Phoenix LE are, rather understandably, on high alert (Kirk’s funeral is taking place in Phoenix this coming Sunday).

Another video from that old school investigative style reporter I posted up
thread. This time an interview with a mum who believes her autistic child was groomed into transitioning via Discord.

Interesting to see one of the sorts of stories that most of us here are so very familiar with making it’s way to a new audience.