Women’s privacy and dignity

[Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks]

I’ve just been to my local leisure centre swimming pool and while I was in the changing rooms a woman walked in from the showers, fully naked. I averted my eyes, and she walked quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed. I felt vaguely uncomfortable and embarrassed in the same way I would have if a man had walked in naked.

My impression is that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that it is a fundamental breach of women’s privacy and dignity if people with male biology (whether cisgender men or trans women) share changing facilities with women. Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked.

I understand that many women have had experiences with men’s exhibitionist or voyeuristic behaviour which makes them specifically uncomfortable being undressed around men, or being around men who are undressed. But I’ve often seen the argument on here that it equally undermines men’s privacy and dignity to have to share changing facilities with women.

So my question is, do you think privacy and dignity are not infringed by having to get changed in front of people of the same sex? If not, why not?

Irrelevant. 'Hate crime' is whatever a man says, including saying NO to a male.

And we can repeat this as often as you like.

So the study claims that women are being housed within general polulation of Mens Prison.

And would conclude that Karen White should have been housed in the Womens Prison.

And stats:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/breakdown_of_offences_committed

In the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2021/22, table 2.1 lists the total number of transgender prisoners held as part of the prisoner population in England & Wales.
Specifically for the March 31st 2021 dataset:
Of the 207 transgender prisoners recorded
10 persons had a GRC
197 had no GRC
Of the 197 persons with no GRC 97 (49%) were serving time for sex crimes

And again. The Supreme Court has affirmed my right to say no.

Men are not allowed in single sex women’s spaces.

Entering in defiance of my legally permitted no is a consent violation.

Why won’t you answer me?

As Helle says you are just incoherent. We’ll strike out your statement that “even the police admit as much” because it’s clearly made up nonsense, possibly deliberately to confuse people about what you’re actually arguing.

What part of you are making that up do you think we won't understand. Lesbians don't have penises. Females are not a threat to females.

Your rapey predatorial sex is.

Which claim are you requiring me to provide police data on from this post?

I am using the information from YOUR post, from the data YOU have relied on in that snippet you keep posting.

Why are you asking me to provide police data to support the claim YOU made in your post? You really seems to be unravelling as far as what it is that you are attempting to prove and what your own links say.

Lol, I'm sure anyone but the choir will be able to recognise sea lioing when they see it.

Oh believe me we recognise sealioning on FWR.

I'll post it for the 7th time:

The receipts are in the discussion from yesterday. You know that.

Still waiting…

Yup, 'looks legit' 😂….

UK government thanks. Still waiting…

Regular reminder that none of this shite is relevant anyway, as “trans women” are just men. They don’t belong in women’s spaces, the law supports us in this country in excluding them, and they aren’t welcomed in women’s spaces by the majority of women. Men have no business telling us we don’t have the right to a male free space.

What we know is that you transparently can’t back up your own arguments.

I’m still waiting.

It's from the UK department of prisons. AND the US. AND Canada.

Stats from actual prison data.

Terribly sorry about the horrendous crimes of calling men, men and using correct sex pronouns for them.

That's still totally irrelevant to these men using facilities that belong to women

So am I. Waiting, waiting. Tick tock. I’m waiting for your response to the receipts I posted yesterday @Howseitgoin- can’t you answer?

Yeah it is…

Show us on official nomenclature.

Try to at least make some sort of sense mate.

I’m allowed as per the SC ruling to say no to men in women’s single sex spaces.

I say no.

Why won’t you accept my no?

Readers note:

There is no legislation that supports the segregation of publicly accessed spaces further than by sex (ie single sex spaces), as this further segregation is illegitimate discrimination. The Legitimate discrimination allowed by law (and by Human rights too) is for sex segregation.

Therefore no publicly accessed single sex spaces can then be segregated by race or ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion for instance. These would be acts of illegitimate discrimination.

There is no commonality within the group of people with transgender identities except for their personal philosophical belief about their identity which is an identity that does not reflect material reality. This philosophical belief is not one that is acceptable to allow exclusion from sex segregation for publicly accessible single sex spaces. There are no other philosophical beliefs that have this additional privilege either.

There is also no logic in allowing a group of male people to access female single sex spaces because of their philosophical belief that is one that doesn't reflect material reality. If that group require additional protection, then a separate space for them should be provided.

Creepy and incoherent

truly you are spoiling us @Howseitgoin

The source of the data is included on the images....

yeah looks legit…

No. I don't.

So, I am still waiting for you to clarify what it is that you have claimed the police have admitted to.

Still waiting...

I can do this all day too... I am still only on page 26 and working my way through this thread.