Women’s privacy and dignity

[Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks]

I’ve just been to my local leisure centre swimming pool and while I was in the changing rooms a woman walked in from the showers, fully naked. I averted my eyes, and she walked quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed. I felt vaguely uncomfortable and embarrassed in the same way I would have if a man had walked in naked.

My impression is that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that it is a fundamental breach of women’s privacy and dignity if people with male biology (whether cisgender men or trans women) share changing facilities with women. Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked.

I understand that many women have had experiences with men’s exhibitionist or voyeuristic behaviour which makes them specifically uncomfortable being undressed around men, or being around men who are undressed. But I’ve often seen the argument on here that it equally undermines men’s privacy and dignity to have to share changing facilities with women.

So my question is, do you think privacy and dignity are not infringed by having to get changed in front of people of the same sex? If not, why not?

It’s still no.

How does it depend what country you are in? Which country routinely accepts that all vulnerable men use women’s spaces?

while 96% of the cisgender prison population is male and 4% female, the trans prison population is 84% trans women and 16% trans men.

Oh look, sex matters when the people at Translucent want it to. Why even disaggregate by sex if they want everything based on 'gender identity'? And why are they so cruelly erasing the nonbinaries? the humanity.

Of course it does @ArabellaSaurus- cutted up pear.

Translucent, an organisation set up and run by men pretending to be women, in order to dismantle women’s rights. It’s still no.

Neither are females. And given the data proves transwomen sexually offend at 5 times greater than males, and there is no evidence of transwomen being at any risk at all, let alone an increased risk, it's a logical conclusion for males to use the MALE toilets. (We don't say 'bathroom' in Australia or the UK).

It is 'logical' for those concerned purely with the wellbeing and safety of men.

Its illogical for anyone concerned with the safety and wellbeing of women.

Its fucking unfair to anyone with basic moral sense that considers women are human beings with equal rights to men.

Only a male supremacist would claim a man's wellbeing and preference matters more than that of women's.

'translucent' is not a valid source, it has a deliberate agenda to hide actual statistics that show the truth:

Trans people have access to women's bathrooms in Ireland, Canada, Australia France, Norway Portugal, Spain, Japan, Hong Kong, & many states in the US just to name a few.

Translucent doesn't do data. The data is linked.

I quite clearly said all vulnerable men, not just the group of men who “identify” as women, @Howseitgoin do keep up.

‘I do feel differently about the inclusion of trans women in women’s single sex spaces and about the merits of unisex spaces.’

So you came here pretending to post in good faith, all wide eyed and reasonable, but what you actually want is to put men in SSS and remove the safety, dignity and privacy of women. You’re going to have to try a lot harder than that mate.

It’s still no.

They are not 'bathrooms'.

And trans men, ie females, have access to womens toilets in those countries.

Apples and pears.

I would not worry about a naked female in my changing room.
Totally different from a man being in there (whatever he thinks/says he is).

You’re not aware of the problems with the UK census data on “trans” then Howz? Figures 😂

Their data is false and does not tell the actual story that every other actual prison department does.

Yep. And I take all these people equally seriously. Which isn’t very much at all.

There's no data that confirms those figures. Even the Police admit as much.

https://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/flawed-census-question-leads-to-inaccurate-data-on-gender-identity

Show me where the police say it or admit you are lying. That data IS from the police!

Which outs you as a liar.

Those charts have long been debunked & are not officially from the UK gov.
medium.com/@davidallsopp/bang-to-rights-d5eab85d9a2

I see your geography hasn’t improved. Are any of those places here in the UK?

A liar you say? I am all astonishment.

That is not an actual link, it is a trans propagandist and anti-womens rights activist blogger who doesn't understand 'per capita' and who says this:

"The graphic also maliciously misgenders trans women by calling them “men who identify as women”."

Right there, that makes your 'source' null and void in itself.

The fact that my images have stats from the UK, US and Canada and they all align statistically shows it is a uniform trajectory.

Oh no, not a “malicious misgendering”! How dare we!