Palestine Action protests

[BettyBooper]

I do realise that this is the FWR board, but there are some undercurrents of similarity, which is my interest.

Palestine Action has be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. This protest (to my understanding) was about that decision, not about the issue in Palestine itself.

I'm concerned that what was about Palestine is now in sizable number (as reported), elderly people protesting in support of a proscribed terrorist organisation.

You can protest about Palestine without supporting this organisation. So what's happening here?

I think my concern is that bad actors are using well meaning people to push an ideology. Which is the similarity with gender ideology and hence me posting here.

Again, my concern is that the protest appears to be in support of a group rather than the cause.

Above, we heard that Starmer's refusal to bow down to this sort of automatic anti Israel position comes down to his Jewish wife putting pressure on him. This sort of automatic anti semitic conspiracy sentiment is what lies beneath much of the pro Palestine movement.

Not only that, but that via her husband, Keir Starmer, she was controlling the media!

And people claim that they never see antisemitism on MN, just ‘valid criticism of Israel’…perhaps they don’t know it when they see it because it is so prevalent.

"... and b) even if Hamas managed it, they wouldn't be able to build a viable state anyway whilst under the aforementioned Israeli control!"

I'm not convinced Hamas wants a viable Palestinian state and I'm not convinced they want to escape from Israeli control.

I think Hamas are quite happy to prolong this as it's their only reason for being.

I think their actions on October 7th demonstrate that quite clearly by deliberately destabilising what had been a relatively calm period in this "conflict".

"... There is a reason that Egypt also heavily controls its border with Gaza and will not permit entry to Gazans. And there is a reason that Jordan tired of the Palestinians too. Their leadership does them no favours at all..."

Yeah. You have to wonder why countries like Egypt and Jordan don't seem particularly keen to help out their fellow Arabs.

They should go to Gaza and stand by them, that is real !
Not shouting free free! Can you do the same protest in Middle east if other countries are under attack, they won't let you. Lets not take democracy for granted.
Else swap your citizenship !😒

I think you're giving Hamas too much credit. Since its foundation Hamas has called for a Palestinian state in order to destroy Israel. In all its Arabic statements its been extremely consistent for decades. It's only in English statements and interviews that it sometimes equivocates and obfuscates that central policy.

That's why the declaration of recognizing a Palestinian state is preposterous: there is no representative for such a state except for Hamas, and Hamas only recognizes the entire territory of Israel as Palestine.

Apologies for tacking this topic onto this thread; it seemed most appropriate in contrast to the Greta-thread on feminism chat.

But I saw recent news about there are disagreements within the Sumud / Freedom Flotilla with Greta Thunberg and many Palestinian activists.
Apparently a couple of people left (when they were in ports in Tunisia) because of the following points:
a Palestinian activist complained about LGBTQ+ people on the boats as their values were not shared by him
some others complained about participants centering progressive omnicauses instead of focussing on Palestine
Greta left the steering committee and changed onto another boat
There were general problems with discussions being too centered on internal topics instead of Gaza

Seems the alliance of "Queers for Hamas", which was always very contradictory, starts to crumble and as many on these boards predicted, many values are incompatible with each other

Sources:
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-868231

https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/09/not-all-in-the-same-boat-gaza-flotilla-leadership-turns-on-itself-over-woke-agenda/ (this seems to be a polticially right leaning site, as evidenced by contributors who also work for MCC (Mathias Corvinus Collegium, Hungarian conservative think tank)

https://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/international/gaza-hilfsflottille-streit-rassismus-und-intrigen-ld.4016795 (Swiss newspaper, in German, but just put it into a translator)

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/sumud-flotilla-queers-muslims-thunberg-fallout/

most extensive article, especially on different values:
https://www.lecourrierdelatlas.com/flottille-al-soumoud-un-succes-mobilisateur-parasite-par-quelques-controverses/