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labtest57 · 05/09/2025 12:55

FrankieCranky · 05/09/2025 09:02

I’m absolutely not a fan of the Tennants. But some of the comments on this thread are quite difficult to read as someone with a child with autism and adhd. It isn’t easy to get a diagnosis - the process is rigorous and thorough. My DD doesn’t misbehave - there are times when she is dysregulated as a result of her neurodivergence, but there isn’t a way to parent our way out of this. More structure and routines wouldn’t have changed who she is and it isn’t a parenting problem.

I just think we should be careful not to let dislike of the Tennants and their attention seeking, brainless behaviour tip into wider prejudice about nd children (or their parents).

I also have a child with autism and adhd and think they're terrible parents. Nothing to do with the diagnosis but no good parent allows their child ( a pre teen) wear a t shirt declaring that he isnt trust

Quackedout · 05/09/2025 12:55

Im genuinely curious why there are so many cases of autism nowadays. Is it because people are diagnosed earlier?

MrsSlocombesCat · 05/09/2025 12:57

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 10:56

Don't they? I knew I liked boys at around that age. I'll have been about 10 when I first started getting crushes.

Me too. I remember very clearly fancying David Cassidy well before I was ten. I had girl crushes too but I knew they were very different. I knew I fancied boys. And I knew my gender was female because I dreamed of having babies when I grew up.

CoffeeCantata · 05/09/2025 12:59

Groan…David Tennant…virtue-signalling prig…and a misogynistic one at that.

MrsSlocombesCat · 05/09/2025 13:00

Quackedout · 05/09/2025 12:55

Im genuinely curious why there are so many cases of autism nowadays. Is it because people are diagnosed earlier?

No, it's just that it's more recognised. I am currently awaiting an assessment at the age of 61. I am absolutely certain that my dad was autistic, as well as my brothers. The exception being my older brother who had a different dad. He shows no sign of being autistic. We learned to mask our autistic traits to fit in, often leading to mental health issues.

KateMiskin · 05/09/2025 13:05

DD has an invisible chronic illness. Diagnosed by NHS and under treatment.
She doesnt like me to talk about it, so I don't. The only people who know are my mum and sis. My friends don't know the extent to which she suffers. I have never talked about it on social media.

Because using your kids for attention and clicks is vile.

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:09

MrsSlocombesCat · 05/09/2025 12:57

Me too. I remember very clearly fancying David Cassidy well before I was ten. I had girl crushes too but I knew they were very different. I knew I fancied boys. And I knew my gender was female because I dreamed of having babies when I grew up.

Yes, it's perfectly normal to know who you fancy at 10 and possibly sometimes younger, so not sure why people on here sometimes make out that it's not, that you don't know your sexuality ie who you're attracted to.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:10

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:09

Yes, it's perfectly normal to know who you fancy at 10 and possibly sometimes younger, so not sure why people on here sometimes make out that it's not, that you don't know your sexuality ie who you're attracted to.

And are you medicated as a result?

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DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:16

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:10

And are you medicated as a result?

Who's medicalising for their sexuality?!
I was speaking in response to someone upthread saying about knowing your sexuality at that age.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:20

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:16

Who's medicalising for their sexuality?!
I was speaking in response to someone upthread saying about knowing your sexuality at that age.

Exactly. But if a child that age says they are trans, people like David Tennant would support them being medicalised by taking hormones.

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BlushingBrightly · 05/09/2025 13:22

GobShy · 05/09/2025 12:43

well, many children say they have boyfriends and girlfriends at that age. She may feel that she would prefer to have girlfriends.

Some might but I don't think many children have boyfriends or girlfriends at 9. And a 9 year old shouldn't be advertising their as yet untested sexual preferences on their T shirt.

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:22

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 10:48

Funny that cause I knew my sexuality and identity younger than 9!
And if I a child at 9 can't know they're Gay or gender non confirmative then surely they can't know they're straight or gender confirmative?

Exactly

usedtobeaylis · 05/09/2025 13:22

I don't understand why anyone cares what David Tennant has got to say about anything. I'm from near where he is and all I see is every really fucking annoying little nyaffy west of Scotland boy who always thought he was right about everything. He makes my skin crawl.

All the best to his kids.

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:22

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:20

Exactly. But if a child that age says they are trans, people like David Tennant would support them being medicalised by taking hormones.

No they don't not at 9, 10 or even 11 FFS!
Just admit your anti-trans and be done with it!

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:24

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:22

No they don't not at 9, 10 or even 11 FFS!
Just admit your anti-trans and be done with it!

Yes, I was a bit 😕 at that comment too

usedtobeaylis · 05/09/2025 13:24

I think there's a big, big difference between kids exploring who they are, and understanding adult sexuality. My daughter has said she's gay since she was five years old and has 'girlfriends', and she insists still that if she married, she will only marry another girl. Is she gay? Possibly. Can she know that now? Not in the way that adults understand sexuality.

And I'm not parading her around social media tying her into a public identity.

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 13:29

WitchesCauldron · 05/09/2025 12:43

I'm wondering why she is the subject of a podcast- apart from marrying David and having a famous dad- what has she actually done?

Nepotism pays well these days, thanks to the voyeuristic obsession with celebs lives.

Fandom has turned the crazy up to 11.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:34

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:22

No they don't not at 9, 10 or even 11 FFS!
Just admit your anti-trans and be done with it!

Well they can't now in the UK, thanks to Wes Streeting. But drugs are now sourced from abroad.

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ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:39

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:34

Well they can't now in the UK, thanks to Wes Streeting. But drugs are now sourced from abroad.

No they can't! FFS!
Do you actually know any trans people in real life and know what they actually do through to be able to transition?
The only children that can hormone medication are those that are intersex and need to decide which sex they feel they are more alike. It means they have both male and female sexual organs and until they were allowed the medication it was down to their parents to decide whether they wanted their child to be a boy or a girl!

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:40

usedtobeaylis · 05/09/2025 13:24

I think there's a big, big difference between kids exploring who they are, and understanding adult sexuality. My daughter has said she's gay since she was five years old and has 'girlfriends', and she insists still that if she married, she will only marry another girl. Is she gay? Possibly. Can she know that now? Not in the way that adults understand sexuality.

And I'm not parading her around social media tying her into a public identity.

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Yet it's totally socially acceptable to parade a child around as being straight?
Double standards there!

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:44

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:40

Yet it's totally socially acceptable to parade a child around as being straight?
Double standards there!

Yeah, if you're straight you get comments like "going to break all the girls hearts when you're older"
or "aw, is he your boyfriend? How cute"
You never usually get people up in arms over that. It's just completely normalised. Usually by a lot of people who would be saying "you don't know your sexuality at 9 or 10!"

SouthWamses · 05/09/2025 13:44

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 05/09/2025 11:38

I know this - I'm living it but frankly the number of posters who hear dyslexia and assume not aceamdic or hear ND and assume won't be able to live a normal life - its just rife.

Yes ND has a huge range - but frankly I don't think it's why MN is cycnical - I think that's good old fashion ignorance.

There's lots of I vaugley know one person with one condition and thus can pontificate on all people or I read something in a newspaper so must be true. Others assume disgonsis comes with all manger of hand outs - which so frequenty is just no true but by god do some posters insist it is and then get jealous.

It is not that MN hear ND and think they won’t be able to live a normal life - it is the opposite. They hear ND and think it is someone capable of living a normal life and therefore and adjustments etc are just because they think they are “special”. And, to be fair, even advocacy groups downplay how impacted someone can be by autism - dismissing those with high needs/profound autism as simply ‘having comorbidities’.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 13:45

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 13:39

No they can't! FFS!
Do you actually know any trans people in real life and know what they actually do through to be able to transition?
The only children that can hormone medication are those that are intersex and need to decide which sex they feel they are more alike. It means they have both male and female sexual organs and until they were allowed the medication it was down to their parents to decide whether they wanted their child to be a boy or a girl!

Yes, they can. I appear to know more about this than you do?

https://www.anne.health/faqs/do-you-need-both-parents-consent-for-my-young-person-to-join-anne-health-and-start-a-medical-pathway

Do you need both parents’ consent for my young person to join Anne Health and start a medical pathway? — Anne - trans+ gender affirming healthcare

We only require one parent to consent to start treatment, and if the young person is Gillick Competent, they must also consent. Please refer to the here resource for further information.

https://www.anne.health/faqs/do-you-need-both-parents-consent-for-my-young-person-to-join-anne-health-and-start-a-medical-pathway

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Alondra · 05/09/2025 13:45

Neurodiverse is a word to encompass a brain working different from people's majority. It may mean Autism, ADHD or a wide range of intellectual disabilities, some of them very serious, because they are part of genetic syndromes.

Saying a child/adult is neurodiverse is the easiest way to explain a person with higher needs without providing private medical disclosure.

DoinFineIThink · 05/09/2025 13:47

Where does that say anything about 9 -10 year olds?! Unless I've missed it?