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LegoPicnic · 05/09/2025 11:23

Funnywonder · 05/09/2025 09:16

Then they are neurodivergent. Not neurodiverse. One person can’t be neurodiverse. By themselves😆

Yes they can - not up to you to police how individuals refer to themselves. I much prefer to refer to myself as neurodiverse than neurodivergent.

And with 4 diagnosed ND conditions I think it is perfectly reasonable that I am neurodiverse all by myself.

SouthWamses · 05/09/2025 11:23

We also often procorate with families who also turn out to have ND conditions in them and depsite some MN think generally we do well acadmcially and generally okay to good in life.

There is nothing about ND conditions that is linked to doing well academically - other than the fact that articulate parents are more likely to get diagnoses for their children whereas inarticulate parents from deprived neighbourhoods are more likely to find their children with ND conditions labelled as ‘social, emotional and behavioural disorder’. Learning disability is a ND condition (as is very high IQ).

The fact that most people with ND conditions do generally okay in life is also why there is so much cynicism on MN (and another reason why lumping conditions together as ‘ND’ can be harmful).

SirHumphreyRocks · 05/09/2025 11:24

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 05/09/2025 09:03

Parading your children’s ‘difficulties’ around SM is poor parenting. Some people prefer to dress up their poor parenting with ‘oh my children are ND’. It’s not a condition that can be diagnosed on SM. Those of us with direct experience of having children with ACTUAL ND find people like her insulting. It generally isn’t fun for the parents or the children, and her making it sound like it’s nothing at all is disrespectful to people dealing with it every day.

You don't have a clue whether they are ACTUALLY ND or not. And it's somewhat rich criticising them when dozens upon dozens of people here are posting nasty and spiteful comments. If they aren't supposed to talk about their children - and plenty of people do - why is everyone here doing it? What's it to you? Aren't you all exploiting them too?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 05/09/2025 11:25

TheignT · 05/09/2025 11:08

Amazing as it might seem to you I don't have to do what you demand. You seem to feel you have power that you really don't.

Celebrity Big Brother Power GIF by Big Brother

😂😂 why so angry and aggressive? You’ve attempted to police the tone of this thread throughout, my advice to you was simply to report it if you are mortally offended by it. Or don’t.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 05/09/2025 11:26

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didn't eat, full stop.

Aye, that's about the gist of it. It's much nicer to live in an age where our children's sensory and dietary restrictions are better understood.

That quickly put a halt on any such 'precious' or 'look at me, I'm special' nonsense!

Well, yes, because they would die wouldn't they if they just stopped eating. It would put a halt on anybody if they just couldn't eat enough to remain unmalnourished.

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 11:27

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 11:10

And at age nine, should a child be allowed to chemically castrate themselves?

At age 9 they aren't allowed to! FFS!

PlanetJanette · 05/09/2025 11:27

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 11:10

They chose to disclose information publically... which whether you agree or not, opens them up to criticism.

And if that ‘criticism’ includes the nasty ablist tropes that this thread does, then others can also call that out. So far on this thread we’ve had claims that her kids just weren’t given a routine, that ND people should just suck it up to fit in, that neurodiversity is the same as misbehaviour.

Truly exposing the nastiness that exists on this board.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 05/09/2025 11:29

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Your suggesting parents in the past watched their kids starve to death?

50 + years ago my DGP tolerated my parents food issues as much as they could - because they were loving parents.

There's many a parent with a child admitted to hospital on MN because their kids have such extreme food issues they don't just eat.

ND/SEN have always existed - but sociteies were with more tolerant or the kids died young. There a huge gentic component - and many with these conditions in past have managed to be successful they were just veiwed as odd or if rich enough eccentric.

Now I do think you can put in support and find ways for the kids to manage as best they can - that's the approach I've taken with my kids - but more extreme the issues less that's going to work.

I don't know how the Tennat parent - probaby as they are arty middle class Londoners very differently to how I raised my kids but no-one can just discipline the ND out a kid - and while maybe a differnet dinner table appaoch might have worked many times parents have tried and found their ND/SEN kids need different methods to NT kids.

Pleasantsort · 05/09/2025 11:29

YouCouldHaveASteamTrain · 05/09/2025 08:35

Five kids, one of whom is a they/them that she put on Instagram at the age of 9-10 wearing a "let's get things straight - I'm not" t shirt.

Safeguarding red flag innit? Poor wean.

Pleasantsort · 05/09/2025 11:30

defrazzled · 05/09/2025 08:35

How is disclosing your child's private medical information to the media legal. These 2 grifters are constantly parading their ND trans kids for the press, personally I think it is exploitative and abusive.

Same . Appalling chancers.

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 11:30

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 05/09/2025 11:13

If asd is genetic, and it seems to be one of the causes, then certainly you can have one asd child after another. If you are asd yourself, chances are you won't notice. Then they go to school, where what just seemed to be your family idiosyncrasies get picked up as autism or adhd....

This.

We were told in DD1 asd assement that a lot of what we thought or is normal and is our wider family isn't in general population. We also often procorate with families who also turn out to have ND conditions in them and depsite some MN think generally we do well acadmcially and generally okay to good in life.

DD1 was pushed towards ASD by SEN and teachers and GPs - I never felt it fit but ASD assesor said many professionals don't know what conditions actually are let alone lay people. They then suggested dyslexia dyspraxia and inattentive adhd and yet more time later that was a yes to those after assesmnet processes

I think it's likely they've had cash for assesmenets - (we've had decades of delays and push back via NHS and cash for private a huge insurmountable stubling block for us ) but co-morbidity is so common - so ND is likely short hand for a range of conditions.

I do agree with PP though I've been more worried about trans pushing because my kids are ND - DD1 especially was at school in wales at it's height and it was hard to push back though depsite her ND trans friends she didn't go down that route.

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Young girls are also so much 'better' at masking. One of the reasons why many young girls don't hit the criteria for diagnosis is because the way they present at home isn't seen as the same way the present at school...mostly because they're less likely to mask at home (plus a significant decline in the quality of teacher training especially from an SEND point of view to recognise the sexed/societal nuances of how children present) .

We also have a siloing of pathways. Back when I was younger, diagnosis was carried out by multidisciplinary teams looking at the child as a whole. Now pathways are broken into specific areas of ND, forcing frontline specialists (be that GPs, SENCOs, mental health teams etc) to pidegon hole signs and symptoms to best fit categories for a sucessful referral - in the hopes there's enough evidence for a diagnosis to stick...and like you said co-morbidity is so common (alongside other issues pertaining to being biologicaly female such as PMS etc).

Weepixie · 05/09/2025 11:32

deadpan · 05/09/2025 09:34

It's a phrase that's popped up to describe, it's probably been coined by HR departments so hey can include it in their other diversity training. It's easily written and said and based on the more accurate terminology.
I mean I'm not adverse to a bit of pedantry myself, but when most of the population understand what this refers to it seems a bit OTT to pick at it to that degree.

I’m so glad my 33 year old son who has a diagnosis of Classic Kanners Autism was born when he was because I know for sure if I’d had bringing him up whilst learning a new language every couple of years I’d have lost the will to live.

As it is I’ve no idea what he’d be diagnosed with nowadays, I stopped paying attention and trying to keep up years ago.

He has Classic Kanners Autism, Bipolar Disorder, Tourette’s and Epilepsy. End of. And all of the very many new fangled terms for any, or all of these conditions can go to ……..

As can anyone else who insists on their use.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 11:34

ManteesRock · 05/09/2025 11:27

At age 9 they aren't allowed to! FFS!

Well you've got to take puberty blockers before, um, puberty. So shall we amend it to "Should a child aged eleven be allowed to permanently sterilise/castrate themselves? And possibly rob themselves of ever having sexual feeling?"

Is that a process and decision you'd be cool with?

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 05/09/2025 11:34

SirHumphreyRocks · 05/09/2025 11:24

You don't have a clue whether they are ACTUALLY ND or not. And it's somewhat rich criticising them when dozens upon dozens of people here are posting nasty and spiteful comments. If they aren't supposed to talk about their children - and plenty of people do - why is everyone here doing it? What's it to you? Aren't you all exploiting them too?

And neither do you. Celebrities spend an awful lot of time bemoaning how much their privacy is invaded by the media, and in some cases I agree. But if she openly discusses her children’s issues, real or perceived, on a podcast, she surely must expect people to comment on it, or what is the point of the podcast? She actually wants people to comment, but only in a way that is acceptable to her.

What is it to you? Aren’t you exploiting them, commenting on us commenting on them?! 😂Surely if you felt so terribly offended by this thread you wouldn’t be here. I hesitate to explain the point of this forum to you, but people post things and other people comment, I didn’t realise you were unfamiliar with this concept.

If you find comments spiteful or offensive then report them.

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 05/09/2025 11:37

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2025 09:18

Don't they have a Trans child?
Its almost as if there is a link between being Trans and not NT

Research has shown that there is a higher proportion of ASC or ADHD in trans gender people than in the general population.

Not sure if any studies know why though.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 05/09/2025 11:37
Season 6 Ugh GIF by Parks and Recreation

Yeah i'm confused by the vibe of this thread

Are we saying there's something wrong with being neurodiverse?

David Tennant gets on my nerves, popping up everywhere, but some of the comments are off

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 05/09/2025 11:38

SouthWamses · 05/09/2025 11:23

We also often procorate with families who also turn out to have ND conditions in them and depsite some MN think generally we do well acadmcially and generally okay to good in life.

There is nothing about ND conditions that is linked to doing well academically - other than the fact that articulate parents are more likely to get diagnoses for their children whereas inarticulate parents from deprived neighbourhoods are more likely to find their children with ND conditions labelled as ‘social, emotional and behavioural disorder’. Learning disability is a ND condition (as is very high IQ).

The fact that most people with ND conditions do generally okay in life is also why there is so much cynicism on MN (and another reason why lumping conditions together as ‘ND’ can be harmful).

I know this - I'm living it but frankly the number of posters who hear dyslexia and assume not aceamdic or hear ND and assume won't be able to live a normal life - its just rife.

Yes ND has a huge range - but frankly I don't think it's why MN is cycnical - I think that's good old fashion ignorance.

There's lots of I vaugley know one person with one condition and thus can pontificate on all people or I read something in a newspaper so must be true. Others assume disgonsis comes with all manger of hand outs - which so frequenty is just no true but by god do some posters insist it is and then get jealous.

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 11:38

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 05/09/2025 11:26

didn't eat, full stop.

Aye, that's about the gist of it. It's much nicer to live in an age where our children's sensory and dietary restrictions are better understood.

That quickly put a halt on any such 'precious' or 'look at me, I'm special' nonsense!

Well, yes, because they would die wouldn't they if they just stopped eating. It would put a halt on anybody if they just couldn't eat enough to remain unmalnourished.

They clearly don't know/ purposefully neglecting to remember the history of institutionalised mental health facilities in this country... Where amongst other things, people with issues around eating were essentially held against their will and force fed through a tube...

YumYa · 05/09/2025 11:45

@Weepixie bloody hell that's hard. I hope you're both ok.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 11:48

mumofoneAloneandwell · 05/09/2025 11:37

Yeah i'm confused by the vibe of this thread

Are we saying there's something wrong with being neurodiverse?

David Tennant gets on my nerves, popping up everywhere, but some of the comments are off

Perhaps you don't know about DT's trans activism.

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 05/09/2025 11:49

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 11:38

They clearly don't know/ purposefully neglecting to remember the history of institutionalised mental health facilities in this country... Where amongst other things, people with issues around eating were essentially held against their will and force fed through a tube...

So many people forget the levels of institutional abuse and neglect you were subject to if you were disabled, especially if you were seen as "mentally handicapped".

It's really sad. The stuff that was seen as acceptable and rationalised as therapeutic was diabolical, and many of those poor people couldn't advocate for themselves.

If anybody is interested in finding out more about it, perhaps because you were unaware yourself or feel like there's a knowledge gap, I urge you to go down the rabbit hole. It's important to know what happened so it isn't repeated but it will make your stomach turn and your skin crawl.

Charabanc · 05/09/2025 11:50

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 05/09/2025 11:49

So many people forget the levels of institutional abuse and neglect you were subject to if you were disabled, especially if you were seen as "mentally handicapped".

It's really sad. The stuff that was seen as acceptable and rationalised as therapeutic was diabolical, and many of those poor people couldn't advocate for themselves.

If anybody is interested in finding out more about it, perhaps because you were unaware yourself or feel like there's a knowledge gap, I urge you to go down the rabbit hole. It's important to know what happened so it isn't repeated but it will make your stomach turn and your skin crawl.

It was terrible.

But now activists like David Tennant want to medicalise children who feel "different".

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Arran2024 · 05/09/2025 11:51

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I was that child, only 60 years ago. My mother refused to accommodate my hatred of soft, tasteless food, and continued to serve it up and expect me to eat it. I would sit at the table for hours, as she made me eat everything on my plate. It damaged our relationship for life - I never trusted her with anything and kept my distance.

You may win the battle on food but you won't win the war.

Would it have hurt her to listen to me?

IAmQuiteNiceActually · 05/09/2025 11:54

I'm not sure what you meant by 'It explains a lot" but as an autistic person, I take it to mean that because they have ND children, David must be ND and this explains his bad behaviour.

So thanks for that on behalf of all the other ND people on here. It's lovely spending your whole life struggling and then have people using your diagnosis as a scathing criticism.