David Tennant's wife, Georgia, reveals they have several neurodiverse children

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Explains a lot, doesn't it...

"We've got a lot of neurodiverse kids"

David Tennant's wife Georgia reveals several of their children are neurodiverse as she opens up on navigating family life | Daily Mail Online

Sure, people basing their opinion on the actual behaviour of DT and GT is much less sensible than just accepting random assumptions.

It’s not like that at all. Because that only works in a world where we know that the statement about Lance Armstrong was true. If you said the same about any other athlete with zero evidence of doping you’d be open to a defamation claim.

Here, the poster who says ‘what a pity they didn’t try routine first’ hasn’t the first idea about this specific family, these specific kids or what they did or did not try.

It’s just a general comment that boils down to a trope that ND people are ND because they or their parents didn’t try hard enough for them to be neurotypical.

“Thrilled” to have trans kids? “And maybe gave them a little push in that direction”? Perhaps you don’t quite recognise how ridiculous that reads.

To clarify, being “thrilled” to have trans kids is quite different from acceptance of any children that present as trans.

I think most parents if their 8yo said “I’m not straight” (or alluded to liking the same sex) would be to say something like “that’s nice dear, you can be whatever you want to be, now what would you like for tea”.

Ie not make anything of it because they’re 8yo and their thoughts and preferences can change like the wind. 8yo is too young to label someone as one thing or another. And putting a kid that age in a tshirt which states they’re not straight is so odd it’s unreal.

So it’s now gone from a ten year old - the age at which they actually wore this T-shirt - to an eight year old?

Ten year olds absolutely can know if they are straight or not.

Indeed they can. Most of them don't end up in the national news wearing a fecking t-shirt proclaiming it, though.

And wrt the trans aspect: even social transition in a non-famous, unknown family has been cited, by experts, as a serious intervention which can lock children into a trans identity because everyone around them, especially trusted adults, is telling them that's what they are.

Adding newspapers, TV and social media into the mix? Unbelievably irresponsible and stupid IMO.

And they can still change their minds in either direction and certainly don’t need to be bought a T-shirt and discussed by the parents in the media.

Of course they can change their minds. Having parents that are actually supportive and advocate for them is far more likely to provide them the safety to do so if that is right for them.

Which can be done in the privacy of their own home. Instead this kid if they change their mind will always have this information in the public arena. I’m not saying it’s anything to be ashamed of but it’s something which ten years down the line they may prefer people can’t google them and read about it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I can't think of anyone outside of dumbass celeb circles who would parade their child around in a t shirt declaring their sexual orientation, aged ten.

These people are quite genuinely batshit. God help their poor children.

This.
If the kids reach adulthood and wish to have some privacy then I guess they can always change their names to avoid the association with their younger selves. But it would be even better if their parents didn't sell them out in the first place.

in Hollyweirdville as well as here in the UK celeb world, there’s definitely a culture of social justice performing.

So if you’re the parent of a trans kid and you’re in the public eye, and you’re supportive your options are:

1. Hide them away and they are never seen. The Tennants have decided not to do that and there are lots of high profile do the same thing. Because trying to live your life where you are never seen with your kids is exhausting.
2. Allow yourself to be seen with your kids but insist that there should be no visible indication of the fact that they are trans - that can be a T shirt or a lapel pin or just how they physically present.
3. Allow them to express their identity and support them through that, and support them if and when that identity evolves.

1 is not likely to be sustainable - particularly if the kids themselves have aspirations to become actors. 2 is damaging to any sort of supportive and affirming parenting (which, let’s be honest, is people’s real issue here).

By the way, many of us who are gay will also know the ‘privacy of your own home’ approach to support. The parents who are nominally supportive but still describe partners as friends or just wish you wouldn’t draw attention to it by holding hands with a female partner etc. It is entirely welcome that the Tennants are not engaging in that sort of mealy mouthed support of their kids.

There is absolutely no need to label a child as trans at that age.

There is no right way to be a boy or a girl. Horrendous that anyone is teaching their children anything different

And anyway, the shirt didn't reference trans, the shirt said the kid was not straight. Even more bizarre

Of course there’s no right or wrong way to be a boy or a girl.

This idea that if you’re gender non-conforming those of us who support trans rights think you must therefore be trans is nonsense made up by transphobes.

Playing with dolls or liking pink has never either been a reason that, or an exclusive indicator that, a child assigned male at birth is trans.

Oh c'mon.

Pretty much every story about transing a child is prompted by gender non conforming behaviour, whether that's toys, hobbies, clothes, hairstyle. Or a declaration 'i'm a boy' (in exactly the same vein as 'I'm a dinosaur'.

I've quite genuinely not read a story of a young 'trans child' that doesn't reference some of these points.

So if you’re the parent of a trans kid and you’re in the public eye, and you’re supportive your options are:

Hide them away and they are never seen. The Tennants have decided not to do that and there are lots of high profile do the same thing. Because trying to live your life where you are never seen with your kids is exhausting.

There are masses of people in the public eye right up to and including our current PM with children who are never seen in the public eye and I very much doubt that it's because they never ever go out in public with them (pretty sure there are laws now about photographing minors without parental consent). Maybe all of them are trans, maybe some are, maybe none are. We don't know because their parents are not splashing them over SM and are instead protecting their privacy.

Have a look at the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria in children. Merely playing with toys associated with the opposite sex or glibly declaring themselves to be a different gender are not sufficient indicators.

This genuinely is just a myth that's been perpetuated by transphobes.

Exclusively wanting to play with toys associated with the opposite sex and a strong aversion to toys associated with their own sex may be a relevant indicator. Not because 'girls play with dolls', but because an extreme aversion to things associated with their biological sex can be a manifestation of a persistent insistence on their gender identity.

So it is never 'they play with dolls therefore they are a girl'. It is sometimes 'they play with dolls and have an extreme aversion to playing with trucks because they live in a society that tells them that is a way to communicate that they are a girl'.

Are the PM's kids also interested in pursuing careers in acting?

Parents take it upon themselves to trans their children socially without any kind of diagnosis at all.

And it all flows from there. As the Cass report clearly warns about.

Jack Green. Kai Shipley. Jazz Jennings. Three boys with feminine preferences, probably gay, with religious and/or homophobic parents.

All the deluded mad parents on r/cisparenttranskid who are changing a three-year-old's name and pronouns on the basis of toys and clothing preferences.

Deny it all you like, I'm going with the evidence, thanks.

Small children who are at the stage of pushing cars around on the floor don’t yet have the cognitive skills to do what your final paragraph states. They play with whatever they find lying around or whatever they’re given.

Yeah, the Cass report doesn't work as some sort of shibboleth for me given how discredited it is by multiple international expert groups, so argument by appeal to authority really doesn't work here.

As to the substance, the whole schtick on here is all about 'medicalisation' of children. Children are not on any sort of medical pathway without a diagnosis, and no child is getting a diagnosis on the basis of playing with dolls.