Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

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Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

So the post mortem was carried out 18 days after poor Valerie's death and the CCTV is only kept for 18 days on the ward.

Is that correct ?

Omg, that's horrific. Think we should all bombard Wes Streetings inbox today.
Regardless of where we live.
Doing it now!!

I responded in this way because your comment was insensitive, disrespectful and condescending.

How do you know she was on blood thinners? You do know there are two types of strokes- on caused by a clot, but you can also have haemorrhagic strokes where the brain bleeds and blood thinners would be catastrophic.

the bleeding happened after death. The PM notes there would not have been bleeding beforehand. There was also no clinical signs of bleeding recorded- BP, pulse etc.

we don’t have the full clinical history from one BBC article.

In reply to the poster who thinks I could do a better job than the police, I'd have a damn good go at it for the sake of poor Valerie and her family. A rapist and murderer hasn't been caught and the man who was in charge of the ward, around the time Valerie was raped murdered, a man who has since been involved in the drugging scandal at the hospital, who openly admits he "doesn't know why" he completely ignored the fact that Valerie was found bleeding profusely and therefore vital evidence was lost, I think I know who I'd be investigating first! The fact that no one has been held accountable for Valerie's rape and murder after a 5 year+ investigation, on a ward full of vulnerable people, where all sorts of criminal activity seems to have been freely taking place, is absolutely appalling.

Not just same hospital. Same ward. Same male head nurse was charged in the above case. I presume it was this investigation that prompted the post mortem

Reckon there's loads like that.

No of course not, I said "probably" not "she was" but she bled significantly which indicates she was likely on blood thinners.

Either way I do not believe there was no evidence to the people supposedly providing care.

The nurse in charge who made questionable decisions was struck off it seems in 2023 (the assualt happened in 2018). For stealing drugs, drink driving.

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/ftpoutcomes/2024/april-2024/reasons-pover-ftpcsm-95399-20240430.pdf

If there's a petition they have to debate it on parliament. Maybe some sort of inquiry into safeguarding in hospitals.

Even if it wasn't sex assault ("EVEN") it's a given that any personal effects get nicked. I remember when Fern Brittons dad, the actor Tony Britton died, they had to appeal for the return of his wedding ring that had been lifted from him on the ward

Jesus Christ. This is too awful.

Omg!

I said ‘I hope the family fight for answers’.

And that’s ’disrespectful, insensitive and condescending’? You’re nitpicking and hijacking a thread. Mumsnet at its weirdest, for sure! 🙄

The same hospital and the same ward.

I honestly can't believe this.
Truly shocking.

Or she didn’t bleed significantly until after death as per the PM and the referral to “clotting”, which would indicate she may be on medication which assists clotting which would fit with a haemorrhagic strokes.

we cannot say either way. We don’t know what her clinical signs were and whether they were consistent with a stroke or not.

what we do know is after her death the alarm was not raised and evidence was not preserved.

It makes no sense. There should be records of all people in the ward around vulnerable people. There should be cctv. There should be dna?!! I’m furious reading this. How how how can it be possible and how can this have only just concluded 7 years on. Truly disgusting.

Matthew Pover, prince among men. Notice that one of the HCAs mentioned in the inquest was also accused:

Matthew Pover, prince among men. Notice that one of the HCAs mentioned in the inquest was also accused:
Blackpool NHS workers in court over alleged hospital crime ring including assaulting patients - LancsLive

Direct entry Detective Inspector for sure. Fast track scheme too.

get your application in.

Det Ch Insp Riley said the murder investigation had concluded with "all possible lines of inquiry" failing to identify who may have been responsible for attacking Mrs Kneale

I don't know-what if there was a way in a hospital to identify someone who has sexually assaulted a vulnerable patient???

Surely there was DNA evidence in an assault that violent.

And just as bad as the staff covering up (should all lose licences) how could the police make a ridiculous statement like that???

Poor woman-poor family

a couple of posters have said she’d likely have been on anti clotting treatment . The report says she had a brain bleed so it was presumably some sort of haemorrhagic stroke, not the type caused by blood clots. I’m not a medic but afaik in this case if the patient is taking a blood thinning med they may be given something to reverse it. So that particular line of thought may be incorrect.(it’s not exactly a major point in the overall horrific events and the post-death blood should surely have raised massive alarm bells in any unit operating to basic standards of care)

Utterly appalling. What in god's name was going on with that ward and it's staff.

This sort of thing needs a proper enquiry by another Trust ie one that won't sweep everything under the carpet.

Cover up, no question.

Ridiculous statement?

do you actually know anything about DNA evidence?

how long before it denatures and is no longer evidence? Several days. The PM wasn’t done till 18 days

the body needs forensically recovering to preserve dna evidence, to prevent cross contamination, make sure the body isn’t washed, clothing not disposed of. Again this needs doing straight away- after 18 days no chance.

even if they had dna, it needs a person to match it to. No match, no suspect.

if you have some new techniques where you can recover intact DNa after no foremaoc recovery and 18 days I suggest you join your local police forensic dept.

I hardly think this is something to make sarcastic "jokes" about, mustbethat, a woman has been brutally raped and murdered.