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Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

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mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

Valerie Kneale, with shoulder-length grey curly hair, wears a pink, lilac and green floral blouse as she is photographed in a garden. She is standing in front of a pebble-dashed house with a white plastic door and windows.

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death

Valerie Kneale's inquest is told she died because of a "forcible sexual assault" while in hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9neq9e7qqo

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Ibet · 04/09/2025 11:43

This is a horrifying, heartbreaking case. That poor lady. I'm wondering if it's taken so long so the Trust can try to beat the Limitation Period for a civil action for negligent death/corporate manslaughter/fatal accident, which seems to be the family's only recourse, now that the criminal investigation has drawn a blank.

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2025 11:44

Themaghag · 04/09/2025 11:40

I've followed this case quite closely since it was first reported when the inquest first opened in 2019.

When it was finally discovered that Valerie Kneale had been sexually assaulted in such a violent way that it caused the internal bleeding that led to her death, an investigation began and a male member of staff was arrested, questioned and then bailed pending further enquiries. Each time the bail period ended, it was extended again for a further few months.

During this period, female hospital staff came forward and complained about a male member of staff who had been inappropriate in several different ways. In total, the bail period went on for about 18 months and then there was no further reporting on the case. I am thus assuming, that despite their best efforts (and we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt on this!) police couldn't find enough evidence to charge anyone.

The male member of staff who was bailed was also suspended during his extended bail period, but may well be back working at the hospital. After reading about the case again yesterday, it's clear that by the time investigations began, vital evidence had been either lost or compromised.

I've often used this case in my arguments with various people about the complete folly of allowing trans identifying men to be placed on female hospital wards. I'm not suggesting that the perpetrator in this case was trans, but it was very likely a man, which further underlines the fact that women, especially when at their most vulnerable, should not be subjected to any greater level of risk than is absolutely necessary.

Writing this, I'm wondering if the police are taking special note of what is being said and by whom at the inquest. Maybe they are hoping that someone's recollections of the period that Valerie was in the stroke ward might shed some further light on what really happened. (This incidently, was the ward where nurses were convicted of doping stroke patients to lessen their workload, so it's clear that there was a huge degree of negligence at that time).

Whatever the findings of the inquest or the coroner's verdict, I don't think that this case can be allowed to disappear from the public realm again. If everyone posting on this board e-mailed Wes Streeting and demanded a public inquiry into the mismanagement that was obviously rife on the stroke ward in Blackpool hospital, it might prompt him to do something about it and it will certainly help strengthen the argument that all hospital wards must be strictly single sex, except for intensive care. I shall write and send my e-mail today.

Thank you.

https://members.parliament.uk/member/4504/contact

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2025 11:45

House of Commons
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Phone Number: tel:020 7219 6132 020 7219 6132
Email Address: [email protected]

Butterflytown · 04/09/2025 11:47

This is absolutely horrendous. Poor poor lady and her family. And the negligence of those involved afterwards is astounding.

I spent some time in Blackpool Victoria hospital and the care I received was terrible, bordering on negligent. Some of the nurses I came across there should not have been in a caring profession and were quite nasty. That was not my experience at the 4 other hospitals I’ve also had to unfortunately spend some time in, whete for the most part I received excellent care.The culture of a ward/ hospital makes a huge difference and my personal experience of this hospital is that it is not good.

I do think that hospitals need to be careful about security though, you are so vulnerable as a patient, especially if you’re in a side room rather than a main ward. I was in a side room in one hospital which was before you went through the double doors into the main ward, so was not secure and anyone who came into the hospital could have walked in without being seen. I didn’t know at the time but my relative had me moved onto the main ward because they were worried about my safety there- this is going back 15 years when I was in my 20s.

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:48

Rickyrainfrogcroaks · 04/09/2025 11:39

Why do t they keep records
When I visit my mum in her nursing home
I have to sign in and put the time and date
Sign out and time ,and my car registration
You can't get in without doing all that
Why not the same on a stroke ward , otherwise anyone could claim they were visiting a relative and do anything to them ,it's not like the person can say ,I don't know this person

did they ask you for ID verification every time?

What’s to stop someone writing “Jane smith” LD21 TYU? Or even “bus” or “walked”

asking visitors to write down a name and reg with no corroboration isn’t going to stop anyone.

hospital car parks are massive. Nobody is going to check that the reg written down is actually in the car park.

CareerChange24 · 04/09/2025 11:48

I read this and thought I must have read it wrong as surely it would be main news and not a little side story as everyone should be outraged. Where is her justice??

Someone2025 · 04/09/2025 11:49

KeepTalkingBeth · 04/09/2025 09:51

Bloody hell. So many things went wrong there and staff are doing the equivalent of a shrug.

Also
Det Ch Insp Riley said the murder investigation had concluded with "all possible lines of inquiry" failing to identify who may have been responsible for attacking Mrs Kneale
Bollocks. How can such a severe sexual assault happen in a hospital ward without anyone seeing, hearing or noticing anything suspicious? No cctv?? All within the context of allegations of mistreatment in the ward.

Agree, CCTV, DNA, surely only certain people were going in and out of the ward.

They need to find the animal that did this, I would say it was almost certainly a member of staff

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:53

Someone2025 · 04/09/2025 11:49

Agree, CCTV, DNA, surely only certain people were going in and out of the ward.

They need to find the animal that did this, I would say it was almost certainly a member of staff

The police have investigated and been unable to charge anyone. I am fairly sure DNA, CCTV, checking people on the ward etc would have occurred to them.

have you thought about joining the police?

HarrietBond · 04/09/2025 11:55

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2025 11:45

House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
Phone Number: tel:020 7219 6132 020 7219 6132
Email Address: [email protected]

I would advise people to complain to your own MP and ask for them to pass this on to the Minister (and to express their own concern while doing so). Emails to the parliamentary address are usually for constituents and you risk getting a bounce back if you contact Wes Streeting this way.

HarrietBond · 04/09/2025 11:59

CareerChange24 · 04/09/2025 11:48

I read this and thought I must have read it wrong as surely it would be main news and not a little side story as everyone should be outraged. Where is her justice??

I went to find this story on the BBC News App and had to use the search function to find it (presumably it's been filed under North West News) - it doesn't come up as a headline. Shocking.

Lalgarh · 04/09/2025 12:01

From the BBC report:

By the time the post-mortem examination findings came back, Mrs Kneale's room would have been cleaned and used by other patients, she said.
Clothing the patient wore at the time of her death had also been disposed of by hospital staff.
The delay also meant CCTV footage was not preserved.

They destroyed her clothes? She had relatives at the hospital, couldn't they have given it to them?

Someone2025 · 04/09/2025 12:03

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:53

The police have investigated and been unable to charge anyone. I am fairly sure DNA, CCTV, checking people on the ward etc would have occurred to them.

have you thought about joining the police?

Pretty much all comments on mumsnet are stating the obvious but thanks for taking time out from your busy day to make such a pointless comment…..having a bad day / year?

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 04/09/2025 12:04

It’s the same unit (and one of the same staff) where staff were previously jailed for illegally drugging patients and I think stealing ward drugs and ill,treatment. It does make you wonder if this poor woman died after such “ill treatment” by a member of staff but they can’t prove who did it.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 04/09/2025 12:05

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 04/09/2025 12:04

It’s the same unit (and one of the same staff) where staff were previously jailed for illegally drugging patients and I think stealing ward drugs and ill,treatment. It does make you wonder if this poor woman died after such “ill treatment” by a member of staff but they can’t prove who did it.

https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/professional/nursing-staff-charged-over-unlawful-sedation-and-ill-treatment-of-hospital-patients/#google_vignette

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-67706765

Catherine Hudson and Charlotte Wilmot

Blackpool nurse and colleague jailed over drugging patients

Catherine Hudson, 54, and Charlotte Wilmot, 48, conspired to unlawfully drug a patient at a hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-67706765

HappierTimesAhead · 04/09/2025 12:07

@Themaghag thank you for providing that summary of what has happened so far and for following this case. It seems surprising to me that the BBC can't make the same links you did and provide a more comprehensive article about what has been going on in that stroke ward over the years. It's down to individuals piecing it all together.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2025 12:07

Lalgarh · 04/09/2025 12:01

From the BBC report:

By the time the post-mortem examination findings came back, Mrs Kneale's room would have been cleaned and used by other patients, she said.
Clothing the patient wore at the time of her death had also been disposed of by hospital staff.
The delay also meant CCTV footage was not preserved.

They destroyed her clothes? She had relatives at the hospital, couldn't they have given it to them?

From the description they would have been in a horrible state - I’d have thought likely incinerated.

OnlyFannys · 04/09/2025 12:08

God this is one of the most upsetting things I have read on here. That poor poor woman, my heart absolutely breaks for her. I just cant believe this can happen even though sadly it clearly does. Just lost for words

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2025 12:09

HarrietBond · 04/09/2025 11:55

I would advise people to complain to your own MP and ask for them to pass this on to the Minister (and to express their own concern while doing so). Emails to the parliamentary address are usually for constituents and you risk getting a bounce back if you contact Wes Streeting this way.

Pointless. My MP is SNP, they dont do anything at all. Not one response, no action, fuck all. Just collecting a fat salary and posturing away with his pals.

Cucy · 04/09/2025 12:09

That’s one of the worst things I’ve ever read!

This would not be the first or last time this person has done something like this.

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · 04/09/2025 12:10

I was treated very badly in hospital recently. I was assaulted, given underdoses, overdoses, drugs intended for someone else. Nothing on this scale but I was so scared for my life that had I been able to walk, I would have got a taxi home and gone to my local hospital. The more I complained, the worse my treatment got.

This has been covered up completely. It's terrifying as she sounded like she was getting better.

JazzyJelly · 04/09/2025 12:11

Absolutely terrifying. That poor woman and her family. And the man who did this is still out there! Who knows how many times he could have done this?

UltraHorse · 04/09/2025 12:13

Horrible there should be cameras at least in the corridors so cameras can be checked for who went where when The poor woman

PermanentTemporary · 04/09/2025 12:14

I’m just imagining my stroke chief nurse descending on this ward like the wrath of God. I am as certain as it is possible to be that none of this would happen in the Trust I work for. Not because of better staffing, but because it is possible to fight and change a frankly routinely criminal culture on a ward like this. I wonder what the sister of that ward, then or now, is like.

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 04/09/2025 12:14

Butterflytown · 04/09/2025 11:47

This is absolutely horrendous. Poor poor lady and her family. And the negligence of those involved afterwards is astounding.

I spent some time in Blackpool Victoria hospital and the care I received was terrible, bordering on negligent. Some of the nurses I came across there should not have been in a caring profession and were quite nasty. That was not my experience at the 4 other hospitals I’ve also had to unfortunately spend some time in, whete for the most part I received excellent care.The culture of a ward/ hospital makes a huge difference and my personal experience of this hospital is that it is not good.

I do think that hospitals need to be careful about security though, you are so vulnerable as a patient, especially if you’re in a side room rather than a main ward. I was in a side room in one hospital which was before you went through the double doors into the main ward, so was not secure and anyone who came into the hospital could have walked in without being seen. I didn’t know at the time but my relative had me moved onto the main ward because they were worried about my safety there- this is going back 15 years when I was in my 20s.

Edited

"Some of the nurses I came across there should not have been in a caring profession and were quite nasty."

This hospital is quite local to us and we often used to say some of the nurses there were more Hells Angels than Angels and always a worry if family members had to undergo inpatient treatment. Like Valerie's family we always stayed close for all the hours allowed, but heartbreaking to know this still isn't enough to protect loved ones.

Valerie Kneale was let down in the worst way and deserves justice.

HarrietBond · 04/09/2025 12:15

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2025 12:09

Pointless. My MP is SNP, they dont do anything at all. Not one response, no action, fuck all. Just collecting a fat salary and posturing away with his pals.

There are two other things you could do. Either start an online petition yourself which other people can sign or submit your own petition for your MP to present which would then need to be sent to the DHSC. And they HAVE to present it (if they are being truly unresponsive another MP can do this for you too but it's unusual).

Petitions - MPs' Guide to Procedure - UK Parliament