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Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

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mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

Valerie Kneale, with shoulder-length grey curly hair, wears a pink, lilac and green floral blouse as she is photographed in a garden. She is standing in front of a pebble-dashed house with a white plastic door and windows.

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death

Valerie Kneale's inquest is told she died because of a "forcible sexual assault" while in hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9neq9e7qqo

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HappierTimesAhead · 04/09/2025 11:21

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/09/2025 11:11

There's a massive history of abuse and neglect at this hospital. Two nurses jailed for abusing patients on this ward. They and others convicted of stealing drugs from the hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-67706765

A male healthcare professional was arrested on suspicion of rape, murder and sexual assault but subsequently released and no charges ever laid.

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-stroke-patient-75-died-20571934

Don't suppose the NHS have taken any action against senior staff overseeing this shocking situation. They never seem to, Suggests yet another NHS cover up.

So the police did arrest someone in connection with this but they were later released as not enough evidence?

The stuff going on in this ward is horrifying

LoveItaly · 04/09/2025 11:21

IOSTT · 04/09/2025 10:34

Just read the article, so awful, and it sounds likely a staff member assaulted her and then downplayed the amount of blood when she had died 😔

My thoughts too, as it is hard enough for visitors to get on wards during the day, let alone at night. Plus staff usually need to let you out when you want to leave.

Rickyrainfrogcroaks · 04/09/2025 11:24

It needs reopening and on the news ,with a new team looking at evidence
You should be safe in hospital

helpfulperson · 04/09/2025 11:24

This is appalling but i'm not sure why everyone is presuming it was a staff member. It could well have been a visitor which would be considerably harder to identify as no record is kept. Or someone posing as a visitor.

HarrietBond · 04/09/2025 11:27

Her family was with her at all times other than one overnight. So it would need to be someone with access at night. If someone who was not a staff member could access the ward at that time then it’s a serious safeguarding and security issue in itself.

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:28

helpfulperson · 04/09/2025 11:24

This is appalling but i'm not sure why everyone is presuming it was a staff member. It could well have been a visitor which would be considerably harder to identify as no record is kept. Or someone posing as a visitor.

honestly chuck on a white coat and walk confidently and unlikely you’ll be questioned. Or a porters uniform

Cardinalita90 · 04/09/2025 11:29

Its absolutely appalling. It's obvious it was covered up because the staff on that ward were routinely stealing drugs and two of them were jailed for drugging patients for an easy life. Apparently it was pervasive. Reporting the assault would have led to that can of worms being opened so they covered it up.

There was also a male staff member from that ward jailed for sexually assaulting colleagues. Seems a massive coincidence for two sex offenders to be working on the same wing.

HappierTimesAhead · 04/09/2025 11:31

helpfulperson · 04/09/2025 11:24

This is appalling but i'm not sure why everyone is presuming it was a staff member. It could well have been a visitor which would be considerably harder to identify as no record is kept. Or someone posing as a visitor.

I am assuming it because a healthcare professional was arrested in connection with it and because the ward was rife with nurses drugging patients and stealing drugs.

kittykarate · 04/09/2025 11:31

Not wanting to be indelicate - did no-one take any care of this ladies toilet needs between the incident and her death? I mean, she was likely on anti clotting medication so I can't see how clotting would have kept the blood hidden. I feel like they basically jammed her in incontinence pants overnight to cut down on those annoying buzzers and didn't change them once she went 'end of life'.

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 04/09/2025 11:31

I feel physically sick after reading that article. I can only imagine how her poor family must feel.

I don't consider myself an especially good/virtuous person - I can be a real bitch, I'm judgemental and my ASD means I lack empathy but what sort of evil sickness does it take to do something like this to an ill, vulnerable lady in a hospital bed?

It's probably for the best that we're on the verge of destroying ourselves as a species when we can do things like these to each other. I'm sickened.

MotherofPufflings · 04/09/2025 11:32

I might be wrong, but from what's been reported, I suspect the police have stopped investigating because they know who did it but haven't been able to prove it.

wantmorenow · 04/09/2025 11:32

One of the most shocking failures of NHS I have ever read. Poor woman.

HappierTimesAhead · 04/09/2025 11:34

MotherofPufflings · 04/09/2025 11:32

I might be wrong, but from what's been reported, I suspect the police have stopped investigating because they know who did it but haven't been able to prove it.

💯 this and I think a lot more went on that they can't prove (mostly because the victims had no way of speaking up)

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 11:34

Horrible, horrible story, and if it had happened in say, India, lots of comments would be made about systemic bigotry towards women and appalling standards of medical care and police indifference. Entire conclusions would be drawn about the morality of that country. Perhaps, one should get off the NHS worship and start campaigning for better care and security for women and minor patients.

WellMaybeYouShouldntBeLivingHeeeeeeee · 04/09/2025 11:34

This was on Crimewatch a few years ago. I found it horrifying at the time, and I can’t believe there’s still no justice for this woman. Genuinely shocking and enraging.

viques · 04/09/2025 11:34

helpfulperson · 04/09/2025 11:24

This is appalling but i'm not sure why everyone is presuming it was a staff member. It could well have been a visitor which would be considerably harder to identify as no record is kept. Or someone posing as a visitor.

The previous poor practice on this ward hints heavily that things were not right and that at least some of the HCP working there had warped ideas about what the boundaries of care are.

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:36

kittykarate · 04/09/2025 11:31

Not wanting to be indelicate - did no-one take any care of this ladies toilet needs between the incident and her death? I mean, she was likely on anti clotting medication so I can't see how clotting would have kept the blood hidden. I feel like they basically jammed her in incontinence pants overnight to cut down on those annoying buzzers and didn't change them once she went 'end of life'.

According to the bbc the PM report said the bleeding was after death, and it was unlikely to be noticeable before due to clotting.

MotherofPufflings · 04/09/2025 11:39

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:36

According to the bbc the PM report said the bleeding was after death, and it was unlikely to be noticeable before due to clotting.

I'm not sure that I would necessarily take a news report as being completely accurate. However, I also feel that for the sake of this poor woman's dignity that it's best not to speculate about these kinds of intimate details.

Rickyrainfrogcroaks · 04/09/2025 11:39

helpfulperson · 04/09/2025 11:24

This is appalling but i'm not sure why everyone is presuming it was a staff member. It could well have been a visitor which would be considerably harder to identify as no record is kept. Or someone posing as a visitor.

Why do t they keep records
When I visit my mum in her nursing home
I have to sign in and put the time and date
Sign out and time ,and my car registration
You can't get in without doing all that
Why not the same on a stroke ward , otherwise anyone could claim they were visiting a relative and do anything to them ,it's not like the person can say ,I don't know this person

LondonPapa · 04/09/2025 11:39

KeepTalkingBeth · 04/09/2025 09:51

Bloody hell. So many things went wrong there and staff are doing the equivalent of a shrug.

Also
Det Ch Insp Riley said the murder investigation had concluded with "all possible lines of inquiry" failing to identify who may have been responsible for attacking Mrs Kneale
Bollocks. How can such a severe sexual assault happen in a hospital ward without anyone seeing, hearing or noticing anything suspicious? No cctv?? All within the context of allegations of mistreatment in the ward.

CCTV isn’t retained in the NHS (or recording in the first instance as I discovered after assault by colleague). Due to the timeline, the murderer got away with it because of the delay in alerting authorities and CCTV wasn’t retained for the period (or recorded). It is actually abhorrent the things Trusts get away with, including extremely lax data retention and GDPR policies.

Themaghag · 04/09/2025 11:40

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/09/2025 11:01

Sums it up doesn't it.

I've followed this case quite closely since it was first reported when the inquest first opened in 2019.

When it was finally discovered that Valerie Kneale had been sexually assaulted in such a violent way that it caused the internal bleeding that led to her death, an investigation began and a male member of staff was arrested, questioned and then bailed pending further enquiries. Each time the bail period ended, it was extended again for a further few months.

During this period, female hospital staff came forward and complained about a male member of staff who had been inappropriate in several different ways. In total, the bail period went on for about 18 months and then there was no further reporting on the case. I am thus assuming, that despite their best efforts (and we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt on this!) police couldn't find enough evidence to charge anyone.

The male member of staff who was bailed was also suspended during his extended bail period, but may well be back working at the hospital. After reading about the case again yesterday, it's clear that by the time investigations began, vital evidence had been either lost or compromised.

I've often used this case in my arguments with various people about the complete folly of allowing trans identifying men to be placed on female hospital wards. I'm not suggesting that the perpetrator in this case was trans, but it was very likely a man, which further underlines the fact that women, especially when at their most vulnerable, should not be subjected to any greater level of risk than is absolutely necessary.

Writing this, I'm wondering if the police are taking special note of what is being said and by whom at the inquest. Maybe they are hoping that someone's recollections of the period that Valerie was in the stroke ward might shed some further light on what really happened. (This incidently, was the ward where nurses were convicted of doping stroke patients to lessen their workload, so it's clear that there was a huge degree of negligence at that time).

Whatever the findings of the inquest or the coroner's verdict, I don't think that this case can be allowed to disappear from the public realm again. If everyone posting on this board e-mailed Wes Streeting and demanded a public inquiry into the mismanagement that was obviously rife on the stroke ward in Blackpool hospital, it might prompt him to do something about it and it will certainly help strengthen the argument that all hospital wards must be strictly single sex, except for intensive care. I shall write and send my e-mail today.

user2848502016 · 04/09/2025 11:40

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 11:05

I don’t think it’s that simple. The police have said they’ve exhausted every line of enquiry- the delay in discovering the death wasn’t due to the stroke, which meant the body won’t have been forensically preserved etc, will mean much of the evidence was lost.

not so much can’t be arsed but a series of failures have led to not being able to find out who did it.

sometimes if the evidence isn’t there it isn’t there. My neighbour is a csi and I know how frustrated they get when they’ve spent weeks/months, even years on a case to come up blank. Only for social media to then come up with “oh they just couldn’t be arsed”.

I agree in this case it sounds like incompetence from the hospital rather than the police, if there is no evidence there’s not much the police can do. They may even have a suspect based on who was on the ward on that night but without evidence they can’t arrest or release a name.

I feel like this incident and conduct in the hospital and on this ward could do with a proper in depth investigation though.

REDB99 · 04/09/2025 11:41

Taytoface · 04/09/2025 09:58

I read that yesterday. I think it was worse. They weren't trying to cover up, they just didn't give a shit about what happened to this poor poor woman. No questions asked at all.

Heads should be rolling all over the place for this one

I completely agree. She died because she was a woman. And no one cares because she’s a woman. Can you imagine a man sustaining injuries akin to an RTA on a hospital ward and the case being closed? I’m furious for her and her family and for women. It has honestly made me weep.

Rickyrainfrogcroaks · 04/09/2025 11:42

Themaghag · 04/09/2025 11:40

I've followed this case quite closely since it was first reported when the inquest first opened in 2019.

When it was finally discovered that Valerie Kneale had been sexually assaulted in such a violent way that it caused the internal bleeding that led to her death, an investigation began and a male member of staff was arrested, questioned and then bailed pending further enquiries. Each time the bail period ended, it was extended again for a further few months.

During this period, female hospital staff came forward and complained about a male member of staff who had been inappropriate in several different ways. In total, the bail period went on for about 18 months and then there was no further reporting on the case. I am thus assuming, that despite their best efforts (and we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt on this!) police couldn't find enough evidence to charge anyone.

The male member of staff who was bailed was also suspended during his extended bail period, but may well be back working at the hospital. After reading about the case again yesterday, it's clear that by the time investigations began, vital evidence had been either lost or compromised.

I've often used this case in my arguments with various people about the complete folly of allowing trans identifying men to be placed on female hospital wards. I'm not suggesting that the perpetrator in this case was trans, but it was very likely a man, which further underlines the fact that women, especially when at their most vulnerable, should not be subjected to any greater level of risk than is absolutely necessary.

Writing this, I'm wondering if the police are taking special note of what is being said and by whom at the inquest. Maybe they are hoping that someone's recollections of the period that Valerie was in the stroke ward might shed some further light on what really happened. (This incidently, was the ward where nurses were convicted of doping stroke patients to lessen their workload, so it's clear that there was a huge degree of negligence at that time).

Whatever the findings of the inquest or the coroner's verdict, I don't think that this case can be allowed to disappear from the public realm again. If everyone posting on this board e-mailed Wes Streeting and demanded a public inquiry into the mismanagement that was obviously rife on the stroke ward in Blackpool hospital, it might prompt him to do something about it and it will certainly help strengthen the argument that all hospital wards must be strictly single sex, except for intensive care. I shall write and send my e-mail today.

Sorry to be a pain ,could do a draft of what you write and where you send it
I will do the same ,sorry

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/09/2025 11:43

HappierTimesAhead · 04/09/2025 11:31

I am assuming it because a healthcare professional was arrested in connection with it and because the ward was rife with nurses drugging patients and stealing drugs.

Indeed. You only have to look at all the maternity care scandals over mother and baby deaths where facts having been covered up are a regular feature in inquests / enquiries. The Fife / Sandie Peggie case has exposed a number of doctors openly lying in court and deliberately flouting investigative procedures,

Sadly all this demonstrates a dysfunctional NHS run by highly paid, self serving individuals where incompetent or dangerous staff are openly enabled to the detriment of patients. And while I feel sorry for all the genuinely good staff working in health care, their reputations are being tarnished by the levels of corruption repeatedly being exposed that have gone on for years.