I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?

[Christinapple]

They want any LGBT person or supporter who makes a threat of violence arrested? Correct? For an example there was Sarah Jane Barker who made a "if you see a TERF, punch 'em in the face!" comment. There was a Glasgow protest where someone held up a cardboard sign with a guillotine crudely drawn with a crayon and "decapacitate TERFs" or something scrawled. These happened years ago and to this day the GC community still talk about and refer to them and say they should have been arrested/charged/convicted.

For another example a trans person a while back jokingly posted something like "let's give KJK a NZ welcome" on twitter which then led to a lot of angry GC people from here making police reports and brigading them (someone posted a link on here and lots went over to be abusive directly to her).

And then Graham Linehan threatens to/incites others to punch trans people in their genitalia (not his first time btw, he has a long track record of threatening and inciting abuse and violence towards LGBT people and their supporters), and yet these same GC people flock to twitter to say that it's "free speech" and "people shouldn't be arrested for online communications".

So what is it to be? If you want LGBT people arrested and charged for threats then GL would need charged too.

If you want GL to have a "legal pass" to make threats then that means it should be the same for all including LGBT people and allies.

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

Actually not the case. We were waiting at the baggage reclaim last year and we noticed a few unarmed police around the edges. Didn’t think much of it. One of the men on the flight who we had seen near us, collected his bag and about 4 police just walked up to him and surrounded him. They quietly spoke to him and they all walked together away. It was some very slickly and it was clear they had been waiting for him. No armed offers at all.

The arrest of Graham Linehan represents the biggest own goal in history for the TRAs. Well done.

Which is surprising given his oh so womanly feelz...

Men are usually experts on everything, so Chris's confusion is confusing...

Perhaps OP can explain what trans activists want, I am also confused by this. I might have suspected it was "complete freedom to make any violent threats you like" (I am not sure I have ever seen trans activists call out any trans people on this), but now with Linehan it appears to be "thou shalt not promote violence in any form, not even in a hypothetical last-resort self-defence scenario"?

Or is it: "trans people should be allowed to do absolutely anything they like and nobody else should be allowed to interfere with this - get down on your knees before your trans overlords"? That would appear to make sense of the paradox, but surely no person worth listening to would propose such a thing!

"They want any LGBT person or supporter who makes a threat of violence arrested? Correct?"

No. We want the law to apply to everyone equally.

Either all these exhortations are illegal, or none of them are.

We do not believe the police should act as the armed militia for grievance weasels who don't like being shown up as liars, cheats and bullies.

What is GL? I'm not familiar with that abbreviation.

Gay and lesbian?

I don’t think anyone should get arrested for tweets tbh. I do think that if GC people are then TRAs should be too though. There is very lopsided policing of the issue. The assumption seems to be TRA = victim so any violence suggested is some form of proactive self defence. GC wrong thinking protagonists so any action is incitement or at least highly questionable. Stickers, ribbons, posters all literal violence trying to erase Trans existence.

I assume there’s some sort of tinker bell complex going on if we don’t believe then they can’t exist.

Appreciate the thoughtful measured replies. My inclination was to ask if anyone else read the op hearing it in a Dolores Umbridge voice followed by a tee hee.

Still didn't need 5 of them, they were not arresting a terrorist or someone kicking off or liable to kick off were they?

If you want GL to have a "legal pass" to make threats then that means it should be the same for all including LGBT people and allies.

The only people who have a 'legal pass' are TRA's and their allies.

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

You have answered your own question, the law should apply equally to everyone, so why doesn't it? Why have non of those TRAs and their allies been arrested for their threats of violence?

Graham Lineham arrested for tweeting

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Is that good enough Chris? How many more years will you need to keep asking the same questions on this board and not reading the answers.

I suggest you get a hobby, a life or even a pet. Maybe a clown fish.

Certainly, sir. We want people to stop trying to force everyone to pretend to believe that men are women, and to accept women's rights to single sex spaces. We also want you to stop minimising and defending serious violent threats against women. And also accept that if you go around claiming lesbians can have dicks, people will laugh at you.

You may find it confusing, but the whole world including you managed it until about five minutes ago. So if it's beyond your wit, leave it to those of us who don't find it so difficult and I've no doubt you will catch up eventually.

I hear it in the sort of high-pitched irritating whine a mosquito would make if it could speak.

(And yes, that is lifted from The Hallmarked Man )

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Sorry, thought it was a new grouping that had somehow pissed off Chris.

So according to a pp, the OP is a trans woman.
So because it's a view this board doesn't like, you get deliberate "yes, Sir's" and posts referring to the OP as an irritating whine noise etc etc.... Kind of puts paid to the "we're just wanting a discussion" trotted out. Which is clearly a load of bullshit.

Stop with the LGBT, you know that everyone is talking specifically about transgender. LGB is separate.

The majority of the people you've listed are not LGB, they are heterosexual males.

They should either apply to all or to none.

GL got arrested for pointing out that most TW have balls and therefore they can be punched in them for being in spaces they shouldn't be. There's no way this could be seen as a death threat.

Other prominent GC people (mostly women) have been arrested for tweeting things like TW are men, or TW should not be in women's spaces. Their threats could often be subjectively mean, but I have never seen a death threat.

They have also been warned about thought crimes and stickering

TRA's have tweeted and made placards stating 'kill terfs', 'the only good terf is a dead one' 'punch nazi's and terfs" and they have not been arrested, or cautioned or had any consequence at all. These are clearly made to intimidate women, and are credible death threats especially when coming from a TW as men are much more likely to resort to violence that women.

Can you really not see the double standards?

Which tweet?

the ‘punch him in the balls’ was clearly a joke. It was literally the punchline. It is man in the women’s toilet, women don’t have balls so the joke is if all else fails ‘punch him in the balls’.

there has to be a clear difference to a direct call for violence against someone specific or in a Specific place and hyperbole and jokes. The bar should be exceedingly high before action is taken.

For every 1 woman in prison there are 24 men. And the majority of women are imprisoned for crimes of dishonesty. The majority of men are imprisoned for violent crimes.

just highlighting this bit (presumbably does not count TW as men?)

Not for the first time!

Sorry, this was in response to an earlier post about wasting police resources, made by @Abra1t

Chris is a regular on this board. He has no interest in a proper discussion.

I am GC, I want male bodied people to respect female bodied spaces where required / requested: rape survivor groups (happy for people to arrange mixed groups if happy to do so, but we need sex specific groups, and I would support trans-specific..anything-specific, too) / women’s sport / confined lockable spaces such as public toilets and prisons..

I don’t think anyone should be advising violence. Not ANYONE.

But am interested that against GL’s tweet suggesting theoretical person a punch another theoretical person in self defence as a last resort, using comedic irony because the person HAS balls, there are individuals who have been subjected to repeated threats of extreme sexual violence, rape, murder, targeting them specifically. Without being arrested / charged etc.

And at least GL makes himself known, like other GC people who have been arrested, and unlike those TRAs who make violent threats from behind stupid avatars and wearing masks as they let off explosive smoke bombs at women’s meetings.

I don’t condone telling people to punch anyone.

But the response of the police has been ludicrously disproportionate.

oh god. Now i am never ever going to get that image out of my head when i see one of Chris's posts

If 'hate crime' laws are going to be appllied against people who understand the reality of sex and support women's rights to certain protections, then they should also be applied against trans activists and their allies when they issue threats and express violent rhetoric.

That basically covers it!

Have you come across this poster before? They have admitted they are a man. They have a prolific posting history of misogynist views.

The women (and men) who post here are fed up with his constant shenanigans and scolding posts. He never engages in good faith, people tend to take the piss now. #SadTimes

Craic on defending him though if you like.