I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?

[Christinapple]

They want any LGBT person or supporter who makes a threat of violence arrested? Correct? For an example there was Sarah Jane Barker who made a "if you see a TERF, punch 'em in the face!" comment. There was a Glasgow protest where someone held up a cardboard sign with a guillotine crudely drawn with a crayon and "decapacitate TERFs" or something scrawled. These happened years ago and to this day the GC community still talk about and refer to them and say they should have been arrested/charged/convicted.

For another example a trans person a while back jokingly posted something like "let's give KJK a NZ welcome" on twitter which then led to a lot of angry GC people from here making police reports and brigading them (someone posted a link on here and lots went over to be abusive directly to her).

And then Graham Linehan threatens to/incites others to punch trans people in their genitalia (not his first time btw, he has a long track record of threatening and inciting abuse and violence towards LGBT people and their supporters), and yet these same GC people flock to twitter to say that it's "free speech" and "people shouldn't be arrested for online communications".

So what is it to be? If you want LGBT people arrested and charged for threats then GL would need charged too.

If you want GL to have a "legal pass" to make threats then that means it should be the same for all including LGBT people and allies.

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

He's confused as to what women want tbf

Absolutely. Trans identified men see the world through men's eyes and through the prism of male experience precisely because they are men. We women have had experiences they have not.

The very fact that they cannot understand why women do not want to share spaces with men, even if those men call themselves female names, dress as they imagine women do and/or make efforts to change their appearance through hormones or surgery, is just proving their maleness.

LGB people are not the ones who are causing a problem for women but are actively disadvantaged and discriminated against along with all women, by the T, that's trans, btw. It is TiMs and their allies who are making the threats and demanding that reality be ignored and replaced by fantasy. The rest of us live in the real world.
And anyway you know the answer to your question because you are all over these boards with the same ones. Go look a the answers @Christinapple

He has always admitted to being “trans woman” i.e. a man. Once upon a time he claimed to be a woman because of his womanly feelz. So many posters contradicted him that he seems to have given up the pretence.

I don’t want men in women’s single sex spaces.

I’m gender critical and all I want is for the nonsense to stop. Trans people can and should be able to live private lives in safety and express themselves safely in public within the bounds of the law. Sex matters though and women should be able to access single-sex provisions without worrying that male people will be using those provisions. Public services should not be captured by ideology but should follow the law around providing safe spaces for sex segregated provision, and where appropriate, for trans provision. No one (tra or terf) should be permitted to incite violence against another group - everyone should be permitted free speech around their beliefs and not subject to arrest or censure for them.

You aren't confused at all.

You have a firmly held opinion that you are expressing in a faux 'cutesy' way that you erroneously think will make those of us who are biological sex realists realise we are wrong.

for any potentially non-peaked lurkers.

For the record: I am not gender critical. I am sex realist. I think "gender" is a social construct to restrict people's lives and i want no part of that. I'm a second wave feminist. Gender (stereotypes) can get in the bin.

The reason you don't know what we want is because you don't engage with a word we say.

You believe that sex is real and that it can matter as much as the next GC person, but you dishonestly pretend you don't.

"if you see a TERF, punch 'em in the face!"

If i stood on the street with any of the following signs, I would be arrested and everyone would say I deserved it because it was totally unacceptable. I would be considered a lunatic.

"if you see a muslim, punch 'em in the face!"
"if you see a homesexual, punch 'em in the face!"

But TERF is okay?

To make it clear, no one should be at threat of being punched in the face.

Quite. The wide-eyed disingenuity over and over and over again is incredibly fucking tedious.

"But WHYYYYY?"

Because men are not women and cannot become women, and therefore have no right to be in women-only spaces under any circumstances. It is as simple as that.

This. We are mean for never mentioning this and keeping poor OP in the dark!

If only there was some way to read the thousands of threads by GC people stating exactly what we want! I guess, like "what a woman is", there's just no way of knowing.

Your wish is my command

I don’t believe you are genuinely confused. I think you believe you have found a “gotcha” moment.

But on the very slim chance you are genuinely confused, the answer is: for the same rules to apply to all. Either those suspected of inciting violence on both sides are arrested, or neither are.

You plainly lack critical thinking in any event. If (some) GC women are so awful for calling for arrests of TRAs who threaten them while wishing their own side not be arrested for what they say, surely the reverse applies too? Presumably you are just as confused by TRAs who called for GL to be arrested not asking the same of their own group who have said similar or worse things on Twitter etc? Not quite the same “gotcha” for some unexplained reason…

Hahah! That’s one’s the worse- so cringey.

I am GC and generally agree with Graham Linehan but I think this particular tweet went too far.
Do I agree that he needed to be arrested by 5 armed police officers over it though- no absolutely not.
I would be saying that if it was someone on the “other side” too.
I think it’s laughable to say the police don’t have double standards when it comes to this debate too, loads of people questioned by police over stating biological fact and personal opinion, it’s frightening.

I think the word “confused” is doing some serious stretching here.

TRAs: make vile and genuine threats towards women in person , nothing happens
Terfs: make one joke that could be construed as mildly threatening i suppose, on twitter, gets arrested by 5 armed police officers

OP: why isn’t this going down well i’m so confuuuused

I'm not all right with five armed policeman being sent to arrest a middle-aged man who presented no physical threat.

What a waste of resources.

Can we stop using the term ‘LGBT people’ please? (I know the media, TRAs and GC people do it too and it pisses me right off) LGB people have nothing to do with this. Some may be allies but many are GC themselves. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity. I wish everyone would stop lumping LGB people in with trans people and the woke gender ideology fuck wits

Oh that's ok then.
Ye gods.
Does everyone get arrested for such tweets?

Everyone Chris, is the simple answer, because the laws of the land apply to everyone, not just the favoured few who think certain laws don’t actually apply to them because they are misunderstood, vulnerable, trying to live their best lives, possible suicidal and like to cover their crimes and faces behind made up identities and face masks .

So if you happen to know any of the people who regularly post those death threat, rape, burning, hanging, beating up with nail studded bats (and the rest) posts aimed at GC women on X and other media platforms, or who spend their time making offensive posters out of torn up cardboard boxes to intimidate women as they try to have legal, women only meetings, please do us all a favour by contacting the authorities so they too can be prosecuted and either found innocent or guilty according to the law of the land. And if you know any of the people who post threatening remarks about asylum seekers perhaps you can add them to your list.

Have a wonderful day.

@user2848502016 can you identify the part where it went too far?

is it the bit that comes after "if all else fails" (am paraphrasing possibly because i CBA to look up the actual tweet)

Where does that go to far compared with, say "kill all TERFS"?

Thank you. I'm a parent of a gay adult DC. I don't like the use of this.

Hello Chris!

We should all be equal before the law. The vast majority of British people support this. And our justice system, while imperfect in many ways, has 'blind justice' as a core principle.

In 2024, there were 87,869 men and 3,635 women in prisons in England and Wales.

So, 4% were women and 96% were men; in a world with roughly equal numbers of both sexes. This is an extraordinary difference!

For every 1 woman in prison there are 24 men. And the majority of women are imprisoned for crimes of dishonesty. The majority of men are imprisoned for violent crimes.

The average healthy adult man is significantly physically stronger than virtually all healthy adult women. And - as shown by the prison stats - is MUCH more likely to commit violent crime.

GC people typically:

• Support breaking down gender stereotypes. Men can be caring, can cry, and visit the doctor when they have health worries. Women can formally lead countries and businesses/organisations, put themselves first, and reject make-up, put on a boiler suit and crop their hair.

• Believe biological sex is fixed. It is all about the physical body, not the personality. 'Feminine' men are still 100% a man. 'Masculine' women are still 100% a woman. Trans Women are Men.

• Place a high value on Women-Only Spaces. These are very important for women and girls. They support them to live big, interesting and enjoyable lives. These Spaces are primarily policed by social norms, but police/security guards/reception staff should get involved if needed. Trans Women, as they are men, should use the men-only or the gender-neutral spaces. Never the Women-Only.

We can't always get what we want. We can't control how others see us. Being a 'feminine' man or a 'masculine' woman is completely fine. It is not a sign that you are in the 'wrong body'.

Most of my very favourite people are gender non-conforming. Men who are extremely masculine and women who are highly feminine in their personality/behaviours, are usually exhausting!