Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 2

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First thread here

Started thread 2 as this seems destined to run for some time...

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Sorry to hear about your mum. I’m not surprised to hear the police were useless.

Who signed off on them ignoring burglaries and prioritising impolite tweets? The Home Secretary? The PM? It can’t have been anyone less senior, surely, and if it was, the Home Secretary should have picked up on it and either ratified the decision or told the Met (and other forces) that they don’t get to pick and choose. I get there are police priorities, but I’d be very surprised if using groups of armed officers to arrest one man who is neither violent nor absconding would openly fall high up on them.

The law is to blame as much as Starmer wants to deflect onto the police.

I'd like to make 2 points.

First the publicity around this could well influence the result of Graham's upcoming court appearance. Lots of bad publicity can sometimes have a gentle tipping effect on the scales of justice for those at the top who don't like bad publicity.

Secondly, and this really tickles me, although I think Graham would hate it. Graham is posed like a mugshot in some of these photos, and all this negative publicity may have an effect on society. He won't be the first person who's mugshot turns on those who tried to suppress him and bites them instead.
Hint orange man bad. Does anyone know if Graham has small hands?

The depressing thing about all of this is that people generally just care about freedom of speech - the sentiment behind it ie women's safety is barely mentioned.

I agree to a point, but those two things are very closely bound together. If you can't say that a man is a man, even if he says he's a woman, and should be confronted for being in women's spaces, you can't protect women or their spaces.

And, of course, without the freedom to upset/offend other people, we have no freedom. That's what the TRAs want, after all. To control language.

Thanks. The Guardian still don't get it. I don't personally approve of Glinner or what he said. I don't like that sort of discourse, so I keep off X.

But I can't see it warranted being arrested. Which is an inherently stressful process especially with armed police which are unusual in the country. Which is why it is only supposed to be done when needed - not just if someone is under suspicion of a crime. He could have actually had a stroke, and came close to it.

I can also understand why with all the obviously male transwomen gleefully posting that they are going to keep using women's facilities he said that. It's been taken completely out of context.

It pisses me off the transwomen saying that they won't use the men's because of risk of violence etc.

So because women don't threaten transwomen (and aren't going to do so, and aren't being invited by Glinner of all people) they claim use of our spaces. They post it and laugh, and hold violent signs against 'Terfs' with impunity.

It seemed to me as though Graham was slightly struggling to reintegrate. Even if people knew he was probably right, they weren't going to say so, any time soon.

But this? This might just turn that tanker around.

The groundswell of support from people who don't even like him is extraordinary.

I can easily see those fence sitters almost using it as a means to re-establish friendship, and hopefully lots of work.

i'm not sure if he even wants to get back into the fold, but if he does, that twat of a TRA, might just have provided the best way to do it.

In which case justice could not have been served more effectively.

Oh I like that idea! This might give some people who are angry about Glinner and the way he has behaved (I mean GCs here) some space to allow him to be persona grata again.

For once, and by enormous accident, Lynsay Watson has done a good thing 😀

Maybe if anyone gets burgled they should tweet about it and make a suggestion that the burglar may have been trans? Surefire way to ensure police presence!

Fetishistic behaviours obviously become problematic when they are taken into the public. The slow creeping of this under the TRA banner reminds me of the link between stalking, public exposure and other serious sexual offences. We all knew it but it took decades to prove it.

Common sense is hopefully returning but why it has taken so long for people in power (2 decades?) to squash this is insane. Likewise, which bozo signed off on sending armed officers? Did someone say Lysdsay used to be part of that squadron or something? Did they all get with him at a christmas party and feel obligated in some way or something? WTF?

Quite.

Let’s not pretend all this hasn’t been discussed stitched up at the various ACPO subcommittee meetings.

ed. for sp.

I was astounded on reading that he was stopped at Heathrow airport by 5 armed police officers! Talk about overkill. This is the same police force who won't go out to burglaries,car thefts or shoplifting incidents. Bloody unbelievable.

Fetishism is not a sexuality or sexual orientation. It's a paraphilia.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en

Chapter 17 of the ICD 11:

'Gender incongruence is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnoses in this group.

Exclusions

Paraphilic disorders(6D30-6D3Z)'

Paraphilic disorders are chapter 6, Mental, behavioural or neurodevelopmental disorders:

'Paraphilic disorders are characterised by persistent and intense patterns of atypical sexual arousal, manifested by sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours, the focus of which involves others whose age or status renders them unwilling or unable to consent and on which the person has acted or by which he or she is markedly distressed. Paraphilic disorders may include arousal patterns involving solitary behaviours or consenting individuals only when these are associated with marked distress that is not simply a result of rejection or feared rejection of the arousal pattern by others or with significant risk of injury or death.'

And under 6D36:

'Boundary with Gender Incongruence of Adolescence or Adulthood:

Individuals who have a focused and intense pattern of sexual arousal involving cross-dressing might qualify for the diagnosis of Paraphilic Disorder Involving Solitary Behaviour or Consenting Individuals if they are markedly distressed by having this pattern of arousal. A history of sexual excitement in association with cross-dressing can sometimes be a feature of Gender Incongruence that develops in adolescence or adulthood, but such a history is not a sufficient basis for diagnosing Paraphilic Disorder Involving Solitary Behaviour or Consenting Individuals.'

Sorry no time to read the end of the last thread, but it is as was said on the old thread, and implied by the Telegraph that the timing on this is linked to the upcoming court case.

ie tweets are 4 months old, Glinner has been in the US, yet the day he arrives back here someone has complained to the police, which they respond to and it gets loads of coverage.

No doubt hoping to give a negative image of him, where as 5 armed police against one comedy writer has hugely back fired.

But yes, as has been said over and over again, how come this managed to jump to the top of the list of police priorities yesterday. And not only done but seen to be done.

They could have visited him at where ever he is staying in the UK and ask him to attend for any interview.

Unless of course it was just a slow day a Heathrow and the police there thought this might be a bit of fun! I suspect many of them think this is just stupid.

Tbh there's been times Glinner has posted stuff that has made me uncomfortable and I've thought eek that's pushing 'respectability' rather than reasonableness.

But it's not really been worse than some reporting from tabloids - it's just that the subject matter itself is uncomfortable and not pleasant. Glinner has stood out sometimes because I think he says out loud what others are thinking and even now is verboten. It wouldn't be ok in the broadsheets but the likes of The Sun would happily 'go there's on other subjects.

So this isn't about stuff Glinner has done himself particularly. He's just shone a torch and voiced an opinion on the actions of others. Even if I think he's gone further than I would, but I also can't argue with some of his points too much either or say he's out of line with what newspapers have said about others in the past.

This is about Glinner showing up stuff that various particularly unpleasant, but influential TRAs have done, that is deeply problematic.

That's what you do when holding to account... It's part of the process of democracy.

We don't have to like it. We don't have to agree. Sometimes it's really not nice and it's challenging. But sometimes it is necessary.

It's interesting that he's been targeted for it and it's interesting the other prominent GC who have been actively targeted and why.

When we reflect on this it's fascinating.

Sorry for another post but wanted to make a different point.

From this thread PP have spoken about how police dont respond to women asking for help.

Seems to me the answer is fairly clear. Women aren't a priority. Men are.

So a complaint that is about how men are not being taken seriously, or worse are even being criticised for asserting they must be accepted as having changed sex, are obviously much more important than actual women.

So which senior police office signed off this arrest?

Trivia, but some things dont change.

As far as I could see by 1am this morning C4 news had not covered this story at all.

Interesting question. Who approved the arrest?

This is what I asked just upthread - didn't someone say Lynsay was armed police? Was it his old squad?

Absolutely

Interesting question. Who approved the arrest?

And have they been waiting all these months to arrest him? He said something about being bumped onto a flight. Were they trying to gain time to mobilise so they could nab him as he got off the plane?

Seems like this was a mission.

If you want to help Graham the Free Speech Union are crowd funding for him. Hopefully they can get him a top barrister and sue the pants off the police.

As far as I can see the only politician who has defended the arrest is Zack Polanski.
Whoops.

I wonder which way Jeremy Corbyn will jump - his new party will want to get into bed with the Greens don't they?

It doesn't matter, it'll be a splat either way.