NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #52

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025

Personally as this is a case about women's rights I'd prefer to see boiled beetle or nauticant in the role of narrator and illustrator

Continuation thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53

I have finished reading the Final submission.

Truly, it is a thing of beauty.

The section on DU’s credibility with respect to the “contemporaneous” notes is meticulous.

I also want to post something that many reading may not be aware of, outlined in the images attached.

DU was asked via his legal representatives to email the native (original) file of the screenshot of the file history of the notes to his legal team on the morning of the Tribunal when the two IT experts were questioned. This would take mere minutes, and would mean the experts could determine whether the file had been interfered with.

DU’s legal representative emails back at 23:30 that night, after the experts have been questioned. This is a refusal to provide the original files because there doesn’t seem to be a need.

As this is the last page of the thread, for ease of commenting on my post about the contemporaneous notes, I will repost it on the new thread.

I hope this is helpful.

Imagine, having looked down, The Big Sond has the sudden realisation that he's a woman and we have to listen to his judgement in falsetto while discussing the suitability of his neck line.

Because it ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it, innit.

Just caught up! Thanks all for the updates and interesting thoughts…

I’m betting on the Judge not allowing the late change by JR because he previously had said no to adding KS as R3 and because making this change won’t materially affect the outcome - her arguments were poor and her case law largely irrelevant.

At the end I was embarrassed for JR. While NC came out looking very informed, professional and on her brief JR did not. Who will want to pay fees for her to say repeatedly “I’ll come back to that”? Ranging from Seriously underwhelming to morally bankrupt… not someone I’d want to appoint or be professionally associated with

Can you see now why once I started on Monday evening I just kept going until the end?

More importantly did you read it in Naomis voice?

Who will want to pay fees for her to say repeatedly “I’ll come back to that”?

Did JR even 'come back' to them? Must have zoned out, I can't remember her doing so.

I think at this point suggesting it "must" have had board approval is suggesting a greater competence than the NHS Fife have so far demonstrated. Should have had board approval definitely, but quite possibly was put out by a more junior TRA supporter in the Trust!

I don't believe so.

I hope they are feeling a bit anxious though, wondering if they may be next on the list. A few sleepless nights are well deserved at the very least.

(I hate backstabbers whatever their ilk).

I agreed - the edits seemed a little loose cannon

I know BezMills, and you're not far wrong
(but he's tougher looking, fitter and a little older than your AI)

It's not possible to imagine some board members were not involved at some point during the evening or next day when the new iterations kept appearing, even if the first was put out by someone excessively silly. They would all have had to be in a bunker together to miss the headlines and general uproar.

I think they are only looking at those involved in the press release for the next proceedings.

But there will probably be many others who know they have made grave errors or committed related acts of gross misconduct that haven't yet been found out, and who will be crapping themselves in fear of SP's team catching onto them.

This whole case just reiterates the misogyny involved. Upton LIED to smear Sandie’s reputation and cover his own back. He lied and lied, and people don’t seem to be throwing their hands up in horror. Instead they are focusing on Sandie and dodgy posts in a group chat from years ago. So unfair. Upton should be sacked for gross misconduct.

But they should be! And if I scream and stamp my feet loudly enough then they'll give me what I want and to hell with everyone else. Or at least that seems to be the legal argument. Dr Upton picked his name for a good reason, but he forgot to add Violet in front of it. (From the Just William stories, where Violet Elizabeth Bott is a spoiled brat with a rich daddy.)

I can! I didn't turn on the TV or knit a single stitch yesterday.

Unfortunately I have never heard Naomi's voice, so I couldn't read it in that way.

#SadTimes

I wonder what changing facilities Upton is currently using? Or is he on Sad Times special leave?

That is a very interesting question.

As per the SC decision, from around 10.30am on the 16 April, he should be using the men's or an alternative mixed sex space.

But I don't think NHSF will have told him to, because it would undermine their case.

@GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder If you click on Watch thread, there's no need to post just to place mark. It automatically places it in your list.

That's is so true.
Im days behind but this is horrific for Sandie. I hope she is able to enjoy her holiday x

And then of course you can use a bookmark on the last read post to jump to that when you return to the thread...
Or just carry on using up posts to 'placemark' 😁

Time for the fun last post