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DialSquare · 2025-09-01T11:11:35+00:00

Copied from Nitter [[https://nitter.poast.org/jk_rowling J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling]][[https://nitter.poast.org/jk_rowling/status/1962462273496023476#m 29m]] *As another man who once worked with me declares himself saddened by my beliefs on gender and sex, I thought it might be useful to compile a list for handy reference. Which of the following do you imagine makes actors and directors who aren’t involved with the HBO reboot of Harry Potter so miserable?* *Is it my belief that women and girls should have their own public changing rooms and bathrooms?* *That women should retain female-only rape crisis centres?* *That men don’t belong in women’s sport?* *That female prisoners shouldn’t be incarcerated with violent men and male sex offenders?* *That women should remain a protected class in law, because they have sex-specific needs and issues?* *That language should reflect reality rather than ideological jargon, especially in a medical context?* *That women shouldn’t be harassed, persecuted or fired for refusing to pretend humans can change sex?* *That women should not be threatened with violence and rape when they assert their rights?* *That freedom of speech and belief are essential to a pluralistic democratic society?* *That troubled minors, especially those who are gay, autistic and trauma-experienced, should be given mental health support instead of irreversible surgeries and drug treatments on non-existent evidence of benefit?* *That gay people shouldn’t be pressured to include the opposite sex in their dating pools, nor should they be smeared as ‘genital fetishists’ when they don’t?* *That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?* *That said ideology, and the privileged, blinkered fools pushing it because they suffer zero consequences themselves, have done more damage to the political left’s credibility than Trump and Farage could have achieved in a century?* *Let me have your thoughts.* This sums up the views of the majority of posters on this board, however, we often have other posters tell us they don’t agree with us, but never what views they don’t actually agree with. So, those of you that don’t agree with the majority view on here, what is it about the above that you don’t agree with?

RedToothBrush · 02/09/2025 01:19

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:04

significantly more serious feminist issues such as endemic domestic violence, sexual violence, women's mental health issues & online misogyny to name a few.
And do you know what dealing with all of those things requires? A fundamental recognition that women are a sex class different to men.
Are you getting it yet?

Strawman. That reproductive characteristics aren't the only way to distinguish men from women doesn't preclude that sub group of woman existing & by extension issues relating to them. It's like saying acknowledging 'black women exist & have needs must cancel out those of white women'. 🤪

Are you getting it yet?

Yes I'm getting you are a racist as well as a sexist.

Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:22

Yes I'm getting you are a racist as well as a sexist.
Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

And I'm getting comprehension fail from you.
Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

RedToothBrush · 02/09/2025 01:25

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:22

Yes I'm getting you are a racist as well as a sexist.
Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

And I'm getting comprehension fail from you.
Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

Na. I have eyes.

niadainud · 02/09/2025 01:27

Regarding so-called "genital fetishists", I always thought a fetish was "a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs" or a similar definition, which makes the term somewhat nonsensical.

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:32

Regarding so-called "genital fetishists", I always thought a fetish was "a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs" or a similar definition, which makes the term somewhat nonsensical.

True, probs 'genital worshippers' like 'fetal worshippers'/(anti abortion )is more appropriate for cultists.

viques · 02/09/2025 01:48

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 01/09/2025 13:03

That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?

This is the one I would take issue with from her list. I think she’s veering from fact to opinion here and there’s a nasty tone that is the reason many people dislike her. A lot of trans people are very confused and unhappy. I don’t think they’re all ‘fetishists’ and it doesn’t seem to me that a lot of them are ‘having the time of their lives’.

Surely the key word in the sentence is “heterosexual”. JKR is not referencing TIM, or gender questioning people, she is clearly commenting on “heterosexual” men who get a sexual kick out of wearing women’s clothing.

SapphireSeptember · 02/09/2025 02:45

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 13:50

This happens with her a lot more than her die-hard fans would care to acknowledge (I'm sure we all remember her tweet in which she unnecessarily mocked an awareness day for asexuals).

Her support for women and women's rights is laudable and isn't in question [I've emphasised this for the hard of thinking]; it's the nasty and, perhaps tellingly, spiteful, opinionated behaviour she often exhibits that creates such disapproval of - and opposition to - her.

Another example of the power she wields? Her cult will be along shortly in an attempt to character assassinate me for posting anything other than fawning, mindless adoration of her.

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I still fail to understand why people with a lack of sexual attraction need a special day, but that's just me. I had a friend who 'came out' as 'demisexual' and thought that was ridiculous enough. All it meant was she'd waited for a while before sleeping with her boyfriend. I'd generally just consider that being sensible.

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:14

Howseitgoin · 01/09/2025 23:56

A few points. "Implying" sort of relies quite heavily on the reader's interpretation of what they are reading, often influenced by their own views. People often see what they want to see. Implying and inferring are two different sides of the same coin. What the author intended, and what the reader inferred during their reading.
This reminds me of Gryf Rhys Jones in the movie adaptation of Tom Sharpe's Wilt. Gryf is a murder suspect being interviewed by the hapless police inspector Mel Smith. Mel asks Griff what he was inferring when he said something. Griff replies I wasn't inferring anything, I was implying xxxxx. Griff then goes on to explain the difference between inferring and implying. Mel's police inspector ends up totally confused.

Yep, dog whistles give great plausible deniability. That she has effectively created a moral panic speaks to intention.

Anyway onto the meat and potatoes. Great job on the Motte and Bailey logical fallacy reference, although it would have been nice if you could have provided examples. Perhaps you could provide some of the nastier examples you have inferred from JKR's writings? Examples would help prove your point.
However one thing confuses me.

https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy

Not to mention posting pics & reports of isolated instances of trans offenders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

You are clearly well versed on your logical fallacies, but you then go on to use one yourself.

"but the distraction from significantly more serious feminist issues such as endemic domestic violence, sexual violence, women's mental health issues & online misogyny to name a few."
This logical fallacy is called Relative Privation, or also known as the fallacy of appeal to worse problems if you want to use less fancy words.
Whenever someone has an issue with something and another person dismisses it because there are more worthy things that should in person two's opinion be considered instead. It's an attempt to distract from and dismiss the original issue. Don't look at that, look at this instead. It's an incredibly popular fallacy, second only to Strawmanning. I'm sure it must have slipped innocently past your finely honed logical fallacy filters because I doubt anyone who enjoys the words Motte and Bailey so much could be totally ignorant of Relative Privation.

I never said that issue at hand didn't have validity or didn't deserve attention rather it was "incessantly" in our faces to the point of overkill as if it were an existential threat.. so yeah strawmanning applies here as well not to mention hyperbole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

its very clear that you choose to break the link to the poster and post to minipilate the readers understanding of a post.
Eg
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353
this minipulative type of choice is used against JKRs public comminicaton to DARVO her right to an opinion.
the a question below can you answer?

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.

What group of some people could I be referring to?

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Famed feminist Camille Paglia's interesting views on women's freedoms: ^"Yes this is probably the most controversial area that I have written about.^...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:18

Howseitgoin · 01/09/2025 23:57

The males that demand to enter women's toilets and changing rooms are indeed predatory deviants. And this is a sizeable percentage of those who identify as the opposite sex.

And your evidence is: 'Feelz'…

its very clear that you choose to break the link to the poster and post to minipilate the readers understanding of a post.
Eg
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353
this minipulative type of choice is used against JKRs public comminicaton to DARVO her right to an opinion.
the a question below can you answer?

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.

What group of some people could I be referring to?

Feelz? Only if one decides that the Bloke who chooses to ignore that a space is a single sex space and decides that the rules dont apply to hims is Feelz

You did let your mask slip when you decided that the rape of a child was just a number not relevant as it was only one girl.

And the whole thread started by you to "debate" the "right" to be raped.

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Famed feminist Camille Paglia's interesting views on women's freedoms: ^"Yes this is probably the most controversial area that I have written about.^...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 03:18

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.
What group of some people could I be referring to?

Incoherent babble. Translation?

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:26

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 00:00

Oh look. It’s the bloke who thinks sexual assault should only be counted if it’s successful and women should be shamed for wanting single sex spaces.

Oh look, the fragile petal who relies on strawmanning when others don't agree with them…

its very clear that you choose to break the link to the poster and post to minipilate the readers understanding of a post.
Eg
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353
this minipulative type of choice is used against JKRs public comminicaton to DARVO her right to an opinion.
the a question below can you answer?

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.

What group of some people could I be referring to?

Feelz? Only if one decides that the Bloke who chooses to ignore that a space is a single sex space and decides that the rules dont apply to hims is Feelz

You did let your mask slip when you decided that the rape of a child was just a number not relevant as it was only one girl.

And the whole thread started by you to "debate" the "right" to be raped.

Posters notice an ongoing theme when other posters argument it centered on that men rape but you should trust that all these men who must be let into womens single sex spaces will not rape because of Feelz

Page 9 | "Give Us The Freedom To Risk Rape" | Mumsnet

Famed feminist Camille Paglia's interesting views on women's freedoms: ^"Yes this is probably the most controversial area that I have written about.^...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:30

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 00:52

Where to even start with this nonsense?
Perhaps it might be helpful to remind everyone that in 2019 she tweeted the following:
"Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill”
She was immediately set on by an angry mob with metaphorical pitchforks. That was what started all the rape and death threats.
Then there was the tweet objecting to women being called "menstruators". And again, the trans activists lost their shit.
Then there was her famous essay which in my opinion is perfectly measured and reasonable, and which was nonetheless cited as evidence of her bigotry and hatefulness, mainly by people who, when pushed, will admit to not having read it.
There were the people who claimed that she had written a "transphobic book", apparently based on the factually inaccurate and arguably defamatory review in the Telegraph in which Jake Kerridge he/him alleges that the moral of the story is "never trust a man in a dress". Quite how one could arrive at such a conclusion having actually read the book is beyond me, but nevertheless, a lie gets halfway round the world before the truth has time to put its pants on, and some people will still insist today that Troubled Blood is a book in which the murderer is a trans woman.
All of this happened long before she ever tweeted anything as inflammatory as "cross-dressing male heterosexual fetishists".
So if you are going to allege that it is not what she says but the way in which she says it, perhaps you could give your considered opinion on why the nice rainbow people were threatening to rape and murder her long before she said it in that way.

Nice white washing, now here's the facts:

www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy

Finally, if you object to women being defined according to their reproductive role, could you suggest a more progressive definition for us please? And, while you're at it, tell us what terminology we can now use when we actually want to refer to members of the childbearing sex, or if you don't think we need a word for this group, explain why you think that and how you propose to protect this group against illegal discrimination if we have no way of identifying what it is and who is in it?

Strawman. I don't object to women being associated to their reproductive role. I just know that's not all of who they are which includes the behavioural, psychological & cultural associations. Ultimately what a woman is defined by is a personal subjective opinion as to what associations an individual more identifies with whether they be reproductive or behavioural, psychological & cultural. We as a society don't get to make that decision for individuals & we have no right to.

Now that's not to say there won't be competing rights/potential harms in accepting sub groups of women but it's not as if they can't be managed. We can & have put restrictions on women's sports. We can & have given special exemptions for the discrimination in favour CIS women in necessary circumstances. Managing competing rights isn't new & isn't rocket science nor is it the existential threat some purport it to be.

its very clear that you choose to break the link to the poster and post to minipilate the readers understanding of a post.
Eg
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353
this minipulative type of choice is used against JKRs public comminicaton to DARVO her right to an opinion.
the a question below can you answer?

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.

What group of some people could I be referring to?

Go on have a little try to answer the question

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.

What group of some people could I be referring to?

Here is a hint the human without a penis are called?

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Famed feminist Camille Paglia's interesting views on women's freedoms: ^"Yes this is probably the most controversial area that I have written about.^...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 03:31

You did let your mask slip when you decided that the rape of a child was just a number not relevant as it was only one girl.
And the whole thread started by you to "debate" the "right" to be raped.
Posters notice an ongoing theme when other posters argument it centered on that men rape but you should trust that all these men who must be let into womens single sex spaces will not rape because of Feelz

You are clearly 'crashing out' with this sort of demented interpretation. Might be time to step away from the computer…

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:33

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 00:54

"You mean eg one tweet where she said male rapist and men and TRA lost their shit and decided that it has to be about "all 'genuine' trans iding males who could nvere be a rapist because (checks notes) 'genuine' trans Iding males dont rape and if the male is a rapist he could not have been a 'genuine' trans IDing male to begin with"
Was that about right or can you provide evidence of your claim?"

https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy

Its very clear that you choose to break the link to the poster and post to minipilate the readers understanding of a post.
Eg
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353

This minipulative type of choice is used against JKRs public comminicaton to DARVO her right to an opinion.

Out-sourced thinking to half asses click bait?

Is this because you cant provide actual links a direct from source quote and explain what you object to?

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Famed feminist Camille Paglia's interesting views on women's freedoms: ^"Yes this is probably the most controversial area that I have written about.^...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape?page=9&reply=146794353

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:37

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 00:58

"but the distraction from significantly more serious feminist issues such as endemic domestic violence, sexual violence, women's mental health issues & online misogyny to name a few."
What?
Like Lumos (including children of Ukraine, donations to homeless people, refugee organisations, anti-slavery work,
Biera's place
Volant Charitable Trust supporting women, children and young people at risk
Gingerbread
Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology Clinic
including female lawyers out of Afghanistan
This list is just from the top of my head.
You mean she is not contributing to 'more serious feminist issues' such as those above ^ ?^
(Shall I take your tone: Fail / False / emoji / emoji / insult) or do you have an inkling of self awareness and realise just how ignorant your post really was?
Edit: Too slow and cross posted.

Strawman. No one is suggesting JKR doesn't 'contribute' to other issues she just sucks out all the air from the media space with hyperbole existential claims effectively ensuring no other issues take dominance.

Ahaa!
So her work means nothing.

She is responsible because she has an opinion that words matter.

How da fook a woman who became a billionaire should have the opinion that words matter is ___ ?

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:39

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:04

significantly more serious feminist issues such as endemic domestic violence, sexual violence, women's mental health issues & online misogyny to name a few.
And do you know what dealing with all of those things requires? A fundamental recognition that women are a sex class different to men.
Are you getting it yet?

Strawman. That reproductive characteristics aren't the only way to distinguish men from women doesn't preclude that sub group of woman existing & by extension issues relating to them. It's like saying acknowledging 'black women exist & have needs must cancel out those of white women'. 🤪

Are you getting it yet?

Well ye oldie and fuuukin not goodie:

black women are the same as men trope

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:42

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:22

Yes I'm getting you are a racist as well as a sexist.
Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

And I'm getting comprehension fail from you.
Ta muchly for the heads up on that one.

Hint try Red-Headed the next time.

It helps with Bingo.

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:44

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 01:32

Regarding so-called "genital fetishists", I always thought a fetish was "a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs" or a similar definition, which makes the term somewhat nonsensical.

True, probs 'genital worshippers' like 'fetal worshippers'/(anti abortion )is more appropriate for cultists.

You are starting ro think that TRA are cultists.

Small progress!

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:50

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 03:18

If some people have to dress in the same way when in public.
The same some people are not allowed to leave their houses with out a male.
The same some people are not allowed to have rights.
What group of some people could I be referring to?

Incoherent babble. Translation?

You are unable to work out a group involved in a modern ongoing crisis?

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:54

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 03:31

You did let your mask slip when you decided that the rape of a child was just a number not relevant as it was only one girl.
And the whole thread started by you to "debate" the "right" to be raped.
Posters notice an ongoing theme when other posters argument it centered on that men rape but you should trust that all these men who must be let into womens single sex spaces will not rape because of Feelz

You are clearly 'crashing out' with this sort of demented interpretation. Might be time to step away from the computer…

You are DARVOing already.

you clip posts rather than try make any type of justification for your demands that men should be allowed to do what ever they choose to do.

2021x · 02/09/2025 04:37

I love this response.

I have been rewatching the Marvel cinematic universe and this is giving “billionaire, genius, philanthropist, playboy” vibes.

I am not a stan. I don’t think any persons actions should be above critical analysis. But the bullying bastards have hugely underestimated her and it’s deliciously satisfying to watch them attempt to get one up one her.

She is the real deal, and authenticity is important to her. They can’t fight that.

SapphireSeptember · 02/09/2025 04:41

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 03:39

Well ye oldie and fuuukin not goodie:

black women are the same as men trope

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I call it 'being racist to own the terves'. Epic fail. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Here's a hint for the hard of thinking. (Not you @AnSolas.) Black women are women. White women are women. Asian women are women. Native American, Maori, Australian aboriginal women, etc are women. Lesbian and Bi women are women, as are straight women. Transmen are women. Transwomen are men.

Is that laying it on too thick? I can't sleep despite being knackered and I'm losing the plot. 😅

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 05:41

"You are unable to work out a group involved in a modern ongoing crisis?"

subgroup
noun
sub·group ˈsəb-ˌgrüp

Synonyms of subgroup
1
: a subordinate group whose members usually share some common differential quality
2
: a subset of a mathematical group that is itself a group

gender
1 of 3
noun
gen·der ˈjen-dər

pluralgenders
Synonyms of gender
1
a
: a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms see also natural gender
b
: membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass
c
: an inflectional form (see inflection sense 2a) showing membership in such a subclass
2
a
: sex sense 1a
the feminine gender
b
: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

You are unable understand what basic words mean or use a dictionary ?

🤡

Definition of NOUN

any member of a class of words that typically can be combined with determiners to serve as the subject of a verb, can be interpreted as singular or plural, can be replaced with a pronoun, and refer to an entity, quality, state, action, or concept… See...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/noun

Namelessnelly · 02/09/2025 05:50

Howseitgoin · 01/09/2025 23:57

The males that demand to enter women's toilets and changing rooms are indeed predatory deviants. And this is a sizeable percentage of those who identify as the opposite sex.

And your evidence is: 'Feelz'…

So let me get this straight. Males with a trans identity should be allowed into female spaces cos of “feelz” but women’s “feelz” about this not being allowed should be ignored. Why? Why do the men’s feelings trump women’s feelings? You seem very invested in getting men into women’s spaces. Why? Apart from your misogyny and sexism, why do you hate women so much?

ThatBlackCat · 02/09/2025 05:54

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 13:50

This happens with her a lot more than her die-hard fans would care to acknowledge (I'm sure we all remember her tweet in which she unnecessarily mocked an awareness day for asexuals).

Her support for women and women's rights is laudable and isn't in question [I've emphasised this for the hard of thinking]; it's the nasty and, perhaps tellingly, spiteful, opinionated behaviour she often exhibits that creates such disapproval of - and opposition to - her.

Another example of the power she wields? Her cult will be along shortly in an attempt to character assassinate me for posting anything other than fawning, mindless adoration of her.

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(I'm sure we all remember her tweet in which she unnecessarily mocked an awareness day for asexuals)

But she wasn't wrong, was she? Having a day to celebrate not wanting sex.

What's the bloody point? It's ridiculous! It's batshit fucking crazy! She is only saying what 99% of us are thinking. So are 99% of the population 'nasty'?

And while it may not have been 'necessary', most things we say in general day to day are 'unnecessary'. Maybe none of us should make a quip about anything. Comment about anything. Say anything. Just live in silence.