Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR asking similar questions to what I have been asking for years on here.

469 replies

DialSquare · 01/09/2025 12:11

Copied from Nitter

J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling29m
As another man who once worked with me declares himself saddened by my beliefs on gender and sex, I thought it might be useful to compile a list for handy reference. Which of the following do you imagine makes actors and directors who aren’t involved with the HBO reboot of Harry Potter so miserable?

Is it my belief that women and girls should have their own public changing rooms and bathrooms?

That women should retain female-only rape crisis centres?

That men don’t belong in women’s sport?

That female prisoners shouldn’t be incarcerated with violent men and male sex offenders?

That women should remain a protected class in law, because they have sex-specific needs and issues?

That language should reflect reality rather than ideological jargon, especially in a medical context?

That women shouldn’t be harassed, persecuted or fired for refusing to pretend humans can change sex?

That women should not be threatened with violence and rape when they assert their rights?

That freedom of speech and belief are essential to a pluralistic democratic society?

That troubled minors, especially those who are gay, autistic and trauma-experienced, should be given mental health support instead of irreversible surgeries and drug treatments on non-existent evidence of benefit?

That gay people shouldn’t be pressured to include the opposite sex in their dating pools, nor should they be smeared as ‘genital fetishists’ when they don’t?

That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?

That said ideology, and the privileged, blinkered fools pushing it because they suffer zero consequences themselves, have done more damage to the political left’s credibility than Trump and Farage could have achieved in a century?

Let me have your thoughts.

This sums up the views of the majority of posters on this board, however, we often have other posters tell us they don’t agree with us, but never what views they don’t actually agree with.

So, those of you that don’t agree with the majority view on here, what is it about the above that you don’t agree with?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
38
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/09/2025 11:05

DialSquare · 02/09/2025 10:46

I’m just stating my audiobook of The Hallmarked Man (whilst working!). Can’t wait to get stuck in!

I couldn't restrain myself and have already read the first couple of chapters on Kindle through my internet browser.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:06

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 10:56

I could post how the nice bloke in prison (for wanting to stab his mother and raped her as she died) described in graphic detail ( in a court room in his defense ) of how he wanted to sexuall assault another woman but you would see that as not proof.

Oddy there would have been no need for the court case if the Irish State did not allow male rapists and other violent men into the womens prison system.

I am sure you have pointed out the hypocrisy of posting this while then not posting evidence about male attacks in the male toilets for being transgender. But I cannot be arsed reading all the way back to check.

The hypocrisy of this posting pattern is a strange one.

DialSquare · 02/09/2025 11:07

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/09/2025 11:05

I couldn't restrain myself and have already read the first couple of chapters on Kindle through my internet browser.

I’m only on chapter 2 and already gripped. Luckily I can multitask as I will be listening to it all day!

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:11

ThatBlackCat · 02/09/2025 10:54

I'm in QLD so I'm not sure of SA or WA.

It also struck me that a difference between the UK and Australia is that I don't recall many toilets or changing rooms being signed 'women'. Mostly 'female'. I have checked the last few trips back just to see if I remembered correctly.

Do you have that perception too? That we mostly called the toilets and showers 'female'. Or have the universal symbol.

It struck me as significant when I started reading here that these men would come into the female toilets because they were signed for 'women'.

Coatsoff42 · 02/09/2025 11:11

This stuff makes me so angry. Women are a bunch of subjective characteristics or whatever 🤯. Funny how when thousands of years of men want to keep women in their place and own them like property, or current men around the world want to keep women as second class citizens and sell them in to the sex trade, no one’s able to identify out of it. No one’s discussing gender identity. It’s all down to basic biology.
But oh no! Here’s some men here and now telling women it doesn’t suit them anymore, and they want all the privileges going and women are all bigoted for knowing the past and remembering the suffering of women.

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:12

Namelessnelly · 02/09/2025 09:29

Ummm yes yes they do. Now I’m sure you’ve got loads of data about trans identified men being attacked in men’s toilets and changing rooms. Loads. So you can give a few examples. Also it’s time to change your typing hand. You don’t want to get RSI.

Cats Kitten GIF by Helen Woodward Animal Center

Have a kitten (or three)

Keeptoiletssafe · 02/09/2025 11:12

Namelessnelly · 02/09/2025 10:50

I know. But I feel I’ve done my bit in showing the caring, nurturing side of mumsnet with my good hygiene advice 😂😂😂.

Thank you. Speaking of hygiene it’s scientifically proven that women’s toilets are much more hygienic in hospitals than men’s or unisex. Women wash their hands more and don’t dirty the cubicle so much.

Fun fact: in some old drawings of London public toilets I was looking at, they must have known men didn’t bother washing their hands but ladies did. Sinks for men were tucked out the way. The women had more sinks per toilet (because they didn’t have as many toilets) but theirs were much better placed by the way out. And obviously the really old drawings didn’t even have women’s toilets.

Haulage · 02/09/2025 11:15

I read this from Germaine Greer recently, in the chapter ‘Pantomime Dames’ from The Whole Woman (1999), “When he forces his way into the few private spaces women may enjoy and shouts down their objections, and bombards the women who will not accept him with threats and hate mail, he does as rapists have always done.”

I think of it every time one of these MRAs comes here to shout at us about why men should have access to women’s toilets and why are we so fucking stupid that we say no, and I think about what a very wise Australian she is.

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:15

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 09:31

"This is from the US (where they don't give a shit about women's rights) and not in any way relevant to what happens in the UK.
In the UK we have had Karen White sexually assaulting female prisoners in a women's prison, Katie Dolatowski sexually assaulting pre-teen girls in women's toilets, and trans activists threatening to rape and murder gender critical feminists thousands of times per day.
So yes, there is a very obvious risk.
I would say that letting men who don't claim to identify as women use women's toilets would actually be less risky than letting trans identifying men use them."

Isolated instances don't qualify as significant statistical data.

Said the poster who wants to use data to wedge men into womens single sex spaces

So what is your N

We can see its at a minimim 4+N

What your minimum N

FlirtsWithRhinos · 02/09/2025 11:17

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:06

I am sure you have pointed out the hypocrisy of posting this while then not posting evidence about male attacks in the male toilets for being transgender. But I cannot be arsed reading all the way back to check.

The hypocrisy of this posting pattern is a strange one.

That's because you start from "these are the facts, they are true and consistent, do they tell us it's necessary and reasonable to utilise formerly single sex female resources for the benefit of trans identifying male people? " and Howie starts from "I want to utilise formerly single sex female resources for the benefit of trans identifying male people so it's necesary and reasonable to say anything I think might support that regardless of veracity or internal consistency"

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:18

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 09:35

Incidences MAKE UP STATISTICAL DATA.
Even one incidence is ONE TOO MANY.

So women perps = women unsafe ergo individual loos only? See where this impractical nonsense is going?

You fail to provide any data to support your claims.
(Again)

FlirtsWithRhinos · 02/09/2025 11:20

Coatsoff42 · 02/09/2025 11:11

This stuff makes me so angry. Women are a bunch of subjective characteristics or whatever 🤯. Funny how when thousands of years of men want to keep women in their place and own them like property, or current men around the world want to keep women as second class citizens and sell them in to the sex trade, no one’s able to identify out of it. No one’s discussing gender identity. It’s all down to basic biology.
But oh no! Here’s some men here and now telling women it doesn’t suit them anymore, and they want all the privileges going and women are all bigoted for knowing the past and remembering the suffering of women.

Yep. Weird how trans women weren't so keen to transition when it meant no vote, no political presence, no right to own property...

I would love to know who did the cleaning in the Molly houses.

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:26

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 09:46

Yes they DO.
Male-on-male violence does not justify males being placed in female toilets.
There has never been 1 (one) recorded incidence of a transwoman attacked in a male facility.
There are around 50 accounts of transwomen attacking females in female facilities.

Risk of harm either way does of which research shows statistically insignificant for women from trans women & statistically significant from men.

If you have proof please supply it

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:28

Well AnSolas

This is a poster that repeatedly posts about "369 trans people vs 435 061 people who were not trans identified in a study drawing a conclusion of:

”Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault”

(Note the statement refers to 'including' and prioritises only the serious crimes and not mentioning any of the more common much lesser crimes).

0.0008 is not a population that you could draw many confident conclusions from. Yet, this poster constantly does.

While then dismissing anything they want on the same basis.

It is such a dishonest tactic.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:30

FlirtsWithRhinos · 02/09/2025 11:17

That's because you start from "these are the facts, they are true and consistent, do they tell us it's necessary and reasonable to utilise formerly single sex female resources for the benefit of trans identifying male people? " and Howie starts from "I want to utilise formerly single sex female resources for the benefit of trans identifying male people so it's necesary and reasonable to say anything I think might support that regardless of veracity or internal consistency"

The poster is now mostly incoherent with the inconsistencies they are posting.

And abusive with it.

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:30

Datun · 02/09/2025 09:39

Quite. I know Mumsnetters do occasionally like playing with their food, though.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
.
..
...
....
...
..
.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🙊🙊🙊🙊🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈🙈🙈🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈🙈🙈🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
...
💅
.
🤷‍♀️

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:35

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 09:54

The facts show transwomen sexually offend 5 times higher than males. The risk of harm to females from transwomen is statistically significant.
The risk to transwomen from males is not just statistically insignificant, it is non-existent.

No they don't. You are making shit up. Put up evidence or shut up.

Shocked Oh No GIF by Yêu Lu

Ooo evidence
A demand request for evidence

AnSolas · 02/09/2025 11:39

Keeptoiletssafe · 02/09/2025 10:00

Why I am engaging:

1.I noticed the last mumsnet post @Howseitgoin was on was linked on a X thread I think speakoutsister (?) so I am trying to spread the message about how dangerous certain toilet designs are for everyone. I figure if I try and explain why to as many people as possible that’s a good thing. There is a compromise though as I don’t like really discussing some of the info I have as it’s disturbing so I am always weighing up pros/cons in my head.

2.I genuinely also want an overview of what is happening. So far, @Howseitgoin has just reinforced my long reference list to show that all people need the safer single sex toilets with door gaps in out-of-home environments. These single sex spaces need to be single sex, otherwise the design goes completely private.

That ^ needs repeating.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:45

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 10:21

Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The figures that are in Hansard for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

REPOSTING DO TO AN AUTOCORRECT AFTER I PRESS POST

Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The figures that are in Hansard for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

8

Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

DustyWindowsills · 02/09/2025 11:52

Namelessnelly · 02/09/2025 09:38

Can I just ask… why are we engaging with this swivel eyed buffoon? @Howseitgoin men are not women, never will be. No means no. Women are saying no. Now please run along do
dear.

I've been wondering the same. But maybe we shouldn't be too judgemental. At peak Howse we're being blessed with more than 20 posts per hour. It must be quite a strain to produce meaningful content in just 3 minutes per post. And all typed one-handed as well.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 11:57

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 06:36

So go in, post some evidence males with a trans identity are in danger from men in men’s spaces. And that must be evidence from the UK.

Why the UK? Unless you can prove there are confounding factors associated with other jurisdictions being surveyed then that's irrelevant. Of course you would have been only happy to accept the Dr Cass recommendations based international research…funny that…

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

I don’t mean “weird looks”. I mean actual danger.

Relax your ability to express your immature high school mean girls impulses is far from the problem here.

And if you make all spaces mixed sex as you seem to wish, won’t that put males with a trans identity in danger? I mean, if they’re in so much danger in men’s spaces, how will they not be in as much danger in mixed sex spaces?

Depends on if they pass. Its a lot easier for trans men to pass as men that trans women as women. I mean, plenty of men present as scrawny males like Kathleen Stock. 😂

Or are you saying we only let men in dresses in women’s spaces?

No, & I'm talking about trans women 'not men in dresses'.

Isn’t that discrimination? You can’t have a single sex space if you allow some of the other sex in, so your idea of only allowing some men in falls at the first hurdle doesn’t it? You either let all men in or none. Have you asked your trans brethren about how they feel about mixed sex spaces?

I personally think its up to to the trans man because some might not pass & be at risk…& after all harm not feelings is the point. As far as discrimination goes this was never a problem in the past until a manufactured moral panic made one.

The unintended consequence that you don't seem to comprehend which is ironically attached to stereotypes you pretend to be against is that plenty of CIS women can pass for men as evidenced by the increasing harrassment by transphobes of them in public bathrooms.

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment

Again, this is the hypocrisy of this poster.

They have posted an article from Vox (from 2016 by the way) that lists 3 incidents. I believe that the poster has posted it 5 times.

Yet, when discussion turns to 3 rapes by males with transgender identities this is the reply:

"Anecdotal experiences doesn't qualify as statistical data."

"Anecdotal experiences don't count as hard statistical peer reviewed data."

"Isolated instance don't qualify as significant statistical data."

Is this where we all chime in with the now-frequent refrain:

Can't have it both ways?

You are making shit up. Put up evidence or shut up.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 12:01

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 11:52

I have NUMEROUS times.

And these bogus graphs have been debunked repeatedly.

https://medium.com/@davidallsopp/bang-to-rights-d5eab85d9a2

I think it is time you did some work and actually pointed out the points in that article that you believe prove your point that the statistics from the MoJ are not to be considered accurate representation that this group of men do not have the same risk of committing sex crime as female people in the UK.

Stop relying on this MRA who doesn't disprove the relevancy of the MoJ statistics at all.

You claim you know so much, time to put your reasons for dismissing these statistics into your own words. Clearly and accurately.

Beowulfa · 02/09/2025 12:04

The UK has clarified our legal definition of "woman". It does not include men, even if this makes some men sad.

No need to argue with Howse- the legal team representing FWS have already collated the evidence and the most senior judges in the land agreed with them.

Looking forward to collecting my copy of The Hallmarked Man on my way home later.

Swipe left for the next trending thread