JKR asking similar questions to what I have been asking for years on here.

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J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling29m
As another man who once worked with me declares himself saddened by my beliefs on gender and sex, I thought it might be useful to compile a list for handy reference. Which of the following do you imagine makes actors and directors who aren’t involved with the HBO reboot of Harry Potter so miserable?

Is it my belief that women and girls should have their own public changing rooms and bathrooms?

That women should retain female-only rape crisis centres?

That men don’t belong in women’s sport?

That female prisoners shouldn’t be incarcerated with violent men and male sex offenders?

That women should remain a protected class in law, because they have sex-specific needs and issues?

That language should reflect reality rather than ideological jargon, especially in a medical context?

That women shouldn’t be harassed, persecuted or fired for refusing to pretend humans can change sex?

That women should not be threatened with violence and rape when they assert their rights?

That freedom of speech and belief are essential to a pluralistic democratic society?

That troubled minors, especially those who are gay, autistic and trauma-experienced, should be given mental health support instead of irreversible surgeries and drug treatments on non-existent evidence of benefit?

That gay people shouldn’t be pressured to include the opposite sex in their dating pools, nor should they be smeared as ‘genital fetishists’ when they don’t?

That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?

That said ideology, and the privileged, blinkered fools pushing it because they suffer zero consequences themselves, have done more damage to the political left’s credibility than Trump and Farage could have achieved in a century?

Let me have your thoughts.

This sums up the views of the majority of posters on this board, however, we often have other posters tell us they don’t agree with us, but never what views they don’t actually agree with.

So, those of you that don’t agree with the majority view on here, what is it about the above that you don’t agree with?

Oh look. It’s the bloke who thinks sexual assault should only be counted if it’s successful and women should be shamed for wanting single sex spaces.

Was thinking today that the pearl clutching around expecting all male people - yes, even the nice ones, even the ones who wear dresses and say they really do feel like women (how would they know?) - to stay out of female-only spaces, and all the exceptions and wheedling and but-what-ifs it seems to trigger is like the fuss men made about condoms back in the 80s and 90s.

Luckily most of the men I slept with back then were reasonable people but the stories some of my friends had!

No, I'm not accusing you of having AIDs. Yes I know you don't engage in risky behaviour. But there is nevertheless a small chance and no one can tell by just looking so you still need to wear a condom. No, I'm not singling you out, it would be the same for anyone. Yes, I know it spoils things a bit for you and that is a shame but if the worst case happens that spoils things very much more for me, and it's not reasonable to expect me to carry that risk. Yes, if we'd been married for 10 years I probably wouldn't expect it but we haven't and I don't know you well enough to trust you so it's not an equivalent situation is it.

No, we just ban everyone who has or has ever had a penis from women's spaces.

Simple.

I reckon you're about 6 months away from becoming a fully fledged TERF.

And I agree! Nobody's reading my original post. For the last time - I wholeheartedly embrace everything JKR has said on her list except the statement about male fetishes. Even though I (and everyone else on this thread knows it to be true) it will simply be seized upon by the TRA's as being vindictive and false.

Honestly, I'm considering producing a 'How to use the quote button on Mumsnet for Dummies' PowerPoint for our delightful derailers because, really, it's right there.

The bizarre word poems will continue unabated I'm sure though.

We absolutely can say that some are doing it because they find it sexually arousing.

In their own words...

Here's the thing: we, and JKR, don't give a shit about what they think. HTH.

But surely you do sometimes need to give a shit about what the opposition are presenting if you want to win the battle?

I don't think it really matters because what they have a problem with is her opinion, not how she expresses it.

They were already throwing their toys out of the pram back when she was being super polite and respectful, so what more do they think they can do now?

And the whole words are physical violence trope which in turn justifies any and all abuse directed at her.

We have to know their arguments. We don't have to care how they feel about invading our spaces.

So what why is a male with a fetish has to be trans?

This is reversal of the male rapist can not be trans.

And so what if he is trans?
Single sex womens spaces should not wank spaces for any type of man

We can know what they are saying without giving a shit about what they think.

Debunking what they say is like shooting fish in a barrel.

There's a balance.

Anyone who has dealt with politics, whether on the national stage, office politics or the village fete committee, has experienced the tactic of someone throwing a totally irrelevant concern into a meeting and having everyone spend time talking about that rather than the real issues as a power play to either distract from something they don't want discussed, or to suggest they have seen a problem others missed.

When it comes to TWAW, Neo-sexists have been very sucessful in framing the two sides as "all TWAW" and "No TWAW", leading the discussion towards "well just how much are TWW, where's a reasonable middle ground" which if you step back and look at it is absolutely batshit, no men are women in any meaningful way, it's like saying the middle ground between "all humans can fly by their mind alone" and "no humans can fly by their mind alone" is "some humans can fly by their mind alone" instead of "sorry, no humans can fly by their mind alone, the other lot are just plain wrong on this one, but tell you what, if we get together and build some hanggliders does that give us a way forward?"

Similarly, spending time worrying about how to say things so that people who are just plain wrong and abusive and do not want to hear any different opinions suddenly become reasonable and open is simply not going to work. There is no way that a woman can say No to a man who does not want to hear it in a way that he find acceptable, because whatever he may say to shift the blame back to her, ultimately it's not how she says it that's the problem, it's that he does not accept what she is saying.

I understand where you are coming from, but i think you are missing the real issue.

JKR has been getting abuse since she wrote her 'wear whatever you like...' tweet.

TRA don't need mention of fetishes to be upset about women talking about a particular problem with a particular group of men. Its the fact that she talked about them as separate from women at all.

I think you assuming that women have to appeal to TRA and therefore stay away from certain topics.

But is JKR talking to TRA? Why does she have to worry about what they think and what they say?

We have all seen men with the fetish for dressing up as a woman. It doesnt make sense to pretend that they no longer exist.

If men were demanding that they come into women's spaces and take part in women's sport, would we care about how they felt? Would we #bekind? No.

Obvs TIMs are men, I was just making a point.

She's way ahead on that one, as ever.

Some groups absolutely should be sneered at. Men parading their fetish in public, forcing unconsenting participation in their kink; men promoting the medicalisation and sterilisation of children, creating a cohort of adults with prepubescent minds and bodies; men defining womanhood as 'expectant asshole and blank, blank eyes'; men telling women to enjoy their erasure, yes they absolutely should be sneered at.

JKR does not sneer at troubled, confused, distressed people trying to find a way to make sense of their lives. She sneers at the people trying to take advantage of them, and at the idiots facilitating it.

It’s completely disingenuous to claim that JKR is claiming that all trans people are fetishists when it’s trans activists and the likes of the SNP that have campaigned so vociferously for the erosion of any distinction between the two.

”JKR does not sneer at troubled, confused, distressed people trying to find a way to make sense of their lives. She sneers at the people trying to take advantage of them, and at the idiots facilitating it.”

Yes. She sneers at those who are abusing her or abusing other women or abusing women in general. I think it is why no one produces the tweets that are these ones ‘punching down’ etc.

How of us have asked over 10
or more threads just in recent times only to have no tweets, except I think one was produced that didn’t say what the poster said it did about Khelif. I don’t believe any others have been produced when requested.

Anyone else seen any produced recently?

Oh, the cigar tweet gets mentioned, while the accuser cannot defend why a woman taking a pose to mock the patriarchy is a such problem on a feminist thread. I mean they try to say she is just being crass showing off her money without once registering the issue with that defence. They then try the ‘the money should go to someone in need’ without realising the issue with that defence either.

I suspect those making the accusations cannot find specific tweets. They just make a class accusation and think they shouldn’t have to defend that accusation.

I'm with you there. I couldn't give a shit about appealing to the TRAs, but it would be good to be able to win hearts and minds among the #bekinders. They can be very easily put off by use of correct sex pronouns or any hint that some TW may be bad actors.

Also

Oh, the cigar tweet gets mentioned, while the accuser cannot defend why a woman taking a pose to mock the patriarchy is a such problem on a feminist thread.

Reminds me of "no, not like that".

Maybe JKR's cigars make her trans?
Everyone knows only men smoke cigars, thus if JKR smoked one that would make her a man.
Damn this biology stuff is easier than I thought. No remembering long Latin names of body parts. Cigar = man. As the furry little insurance salesman who wears clothes and glasses, so that makes him a human professor, on the adverts says Simples!