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JKR Didn’t Have an Opinion. She Poisoned the Well

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CSIRCP · 28/08/2025 14:32

This post will likely be a little too long for most, but if you can spare the time and have a cuppa handy let's sit down and have a chat, shall we?

Firstly, let’s stop calling this a debate. It’s not. This isn’t two sets of ideas clashing. This is one woman’s fear and confusion being weaponized against an entire community.

What J.K. Rowling has done is not just share an opinion. She’s poisoned the well. And that poison is spreading through politics, education, the media, and even the courts.

At the beginning, it might have looked like a tweet. Then a blog. But what she wrote in that essay was revealing: “If I’d been born thirty years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge.”
That’s not neutral. That’s projection. It was a confession, repackaged as concern. She projected her own dysphoria and personal battles onto the entire trans community and used it as the foundation for a movement built on suspicion and fear.

She said she cared about women’s rights. Then aligned herself with those who believe all trans women are predators.
She liked racist and Islamophobic tweets. She repeated antisemitic tropes. She cast activists as violent men in dresses. She accused anyone who challenged her of misogyny while branding herself the face of feminism.
All the while she built up a devoted audience that now includes some of the most extreme anti-trans voices in Britain and beyond.

This “gender critical” movement is not about safety, and it’s certainly not about truth. It’s about control.
Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker), one of Rowling’s ideological allies, has welcomed neo-Nazis to her rallies. Actual Nazis. The kind of people Rowling once wrote villains about.
In one case, people connected to this movement were linked to the satanic terror group 764 — a group that has influenced teen suicides and violent attacks in UK schools. Let that sink in. This is who she’s empowering.

She didn’t just turn away when that started. She doubled down. She gave this movement a gloss of legitimacy. She used her fame to funnel people toward disinformation, fear, and cruelty—and dressed it all up as feminism. But it isn’t feminism when it excludes, vilifies, and harms other women. Especially trans women. Especially intersex people. Especially anyone who doesn’t fit into the narrow fantasy of who is acceptable.

Rowling’s language now echoes in government documents. Her phrases like “gender ideology” have been lifted from far right sources, including the Vatican and authoritarian regimes, and mainstreamed into British law. Her influence helped set the stage for the UK Supreme Court to redefine the word “woman” based on sex assigned at birth, stripping rights from trans and intersex people under the Equality Act. That’s what happens when the well is poisoned. People stop thinking. They start reacting.

Meanwhile, her cult chant her slogans as though they are scientific fact. But science says otherwise. Peer-reviewed studies show that trans people’s brain structures do not align with their sex assigned at birth. They show that gender identity forms in the womb, shaped by hormones and biology not ideology. Large-scale DNA studies have found gene variants linked to gender incongruence. And intersex people exist. That is biological fact. Not one of these truths can be erased by Rowling’s fiction.

What makes this so dangerous is how calm it all sounds. Rowling doesn’t scream. She whispers. She calls it “concern.” She says she’s “just asking questions.”
But it’s never neutral to question someone’s right to exist. It’s not a debate when one side is simply trying to live and the other is trying to strip away their legal recognition and healthcare.

This isn’t just a disagreement. This is a slow campaign of erasure, led by someone with a global platform and millions in the bank.

She’s not some deluded soul from MN; she’s a multi-millionaire author whose words shape global policy. She’s not being silenced. She’s being echoed by judges, by pundits, by politicians trying to climb the ladder by stepping on the backs of trans, non-binary, and intersex people.

And let’s not pretend it stops there. Her influence has allowed people to feel safe expressing open homophobia, biphobia, and hatred toward anyone who challenges gender norms. Some of the same people aligned with her have mocked survivors, denied racism, and claimed slavery was “fine” if it was “kind.”
This is not a group grounded in empathy. It’s a movement that thrives on exclusion and resentment. Some of them now openly identify as neo Nazis. That’s where we are.

So next time someone says “she’s just worried” or “she’s not anti-trans” or “can’t we just disagree,” consider these words. Show them what poison looks like. Not just hateful speech but the deliberate seeding of doubt, division, and cruelty, all wrapped in a soft voice and a smug smile. J.K. Rowling didn’t protect anyone. She infected people. And when she’s gone, her legacy won’t be literature it will be the damage she left behind.

You don’t need to cancel her. You just need to see her clearly.
And if you blindly follow Rowling and her ideas then you need to reflect on what you’re really endorsing.

Because ignorance is not an excuse. Not anymore.

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ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 07:00

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:41

Right wing? It’s the Gender cult that are right wing - aligning themselves to the opinions of musk and Trump.

I believe strongly in women’s rights ad I am a feminist. Norway has the best women’s rights in the riots according to the UN,

The GC cult has known ties to the right wing.

I think you are deluding yourself.

The 'Gender' cult are those who advocate gender. Which is you. We are ANTI gender. You are confused. You are the Gender Ideology cult.

You hate women and call us 'misandrists'. The gig is up. You're transparent. You're a Mens Rights cultist.

Igneococcus · 29/08/2025 07:01

It's 300 Million years since we last shared a common ancestor with those bloody clownfish.

ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 07:08

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:51

In Norway that is irrelevant as men women transmen and transwomen have the same rights and same time to take parental leave. The UK is in the dark ages with this.

Transmen are women, transwomen are men. They both have equal leave in the UK.

So you are wrong .

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/08/2025 07:08

SnugPeach · 29/08/2025 00:32

I give you an article from a person who literally worked on the Equality Act saying it was supposed to trans inclusive and your response is simply ‘so what’.

So the point is we did have those rights till the ruling and that is how the act was intended to be. As literally stated by somebody who worked on the Equality Act.

Here's the thing.

If the Equality Act had been interpreted the other way, it would mean that members of the female sex were not recognised in UK law and not entitled to any spaces from which members of the opposite sex could be lawfully excluded. The Equality Act would therefore be interpreted to prioritise the feelings of a small group of male people over the rights of the female half of the population.

Most people would see that as an extreme view.

It also runs completely contrary to the overall principles of the Equality Act, which aims to ensure that all groups of people at risk of discrimination are equally protected. It does not establish a hierarchy of rights between members of the various groups.

Now, it's not impossible that some of the people who drafted the Equality Act had that intention. The political and legal systems in the UK (and in most of the rest of the world) are highly patriarchal. Only yesterday we were discussing the High Court judgment in which two male high court judges basically said that the "rights" of a convicted male rapist to "live in her chosen gender" (i.e. serve his sentence in a female prison) were more important than the safety, dignity and human rights of female prisoners.

However, and this is the key point here, if the legislators intended the rights of trans identifying males to trump the rights of women in the Equality Act, they should have made that explicit.

Because, as I said above, most people would consider that to be an extreme view.

Now if you fail to be explicit about that because you mistakenly believe that everyone thinks trans women are women (highly unlikely in 2009 when the Equality Act was being debated and drafted) that's your own stupid fault.

If you fail to be explicit about it because you think that if you actually spell it out like that your legislation won't survive the scrutiny of the debate in both the House of Commons and House of Lords, the media and the electorate, that's also on you. Transparency is a fundamental principle of democracy. You can't hide extra rights for trans people in your legislation as if it's blended vegetables in pasta sauce and make the population unwittingly consume it as if they are gullible two year olds. If doesn't work like that. So if your intention was to sneak in a "right" for trans identifying males to have access to all women's single sex spaces and services but you were relying on judges to read between the lines and say, "Yes, that was definitely Parliament's intention", it's entirely on you if those judges don't understand the assignment and say, "No, Parliament couldn't possibly have intended that. That would be completely bonkers."

And if you fail to be explicit about it because, actually, that was never your intention in the first place, you need to introduce a new law, not pretend that your old law has always said what you now want it to say.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/08/2025 07:12

I fear it’s wasted on certain posters but that’s a great explanation, @MissScarletInTheBallroom

AudHvamm · 29/08/2025 07:12

Harking back to the earlier part of the thread, but I came here around the time of the Spartacus threads via PeakTrans on Tumblr and r/gendercritical.

Mumsnet didn't invent terfdom, JKR didn't radicalise me - the same online communities in which gender ideology took off in the 2010s were, unsurprisingly, one of the places where people (women) first started noticing how fucking problematic it was in practice.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/08/2025 07:20

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:51

In Norway that is irrelevant as men women transmen and transwomen have the same rights and same time to take parental leave. The UK is in the dark ages with this.

In the UK, where the law establishes a very basic entitlement to maternity and paternity leave and the rest is essentially left up to market forces (in terms of how much someone's employer decides to pay for enhanced maternity or paternity leave) some fathers actually get a better entitlement to paternity leave than the mother does for maternity leave. Both may be seen as generous compared to many other countries. (In France it's 16 weeks for women and 4 weeks for men, for example.)

I am struggling to think of a better example of pointless virtue signalling than boasting that your country offers generous maternity and paternity leave to trans men and trans women.

Firstly, yes, not to do so would be illegal discrimination. And secondly, trans people are the least likely demographic ever to need to use that entitlement, because they are the least likely people to have children. (For obvious reasons.)

ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 07:22

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 17:58

you do realise there has been a huge increase of violence against transwomen because of the Gender Cult agenda? Can’t see how transwomen are responsible for this so called increase of violence against women.

Bless you dear ❤️

No there has not been any violence against transwomen. None at all. Let alone an "increase" let alone "huge increase". The increased violence has been to biological women by transwomen, who incidentally sexually offend 5 times higher than other men. Get your facts right.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/08/2025 07:25

ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 07:22

No there has not been any violence against transwomen. None at all. Let alone an "increase" let alone "huge increase". The increased violence has been to biological women by transwomen, who incidentally sexually offend 5 times higher than other men. Get your facts right.

To be fair, if you redefine using correctly sexed pronouns to refer to someone as "literal violence", you will then see a huge increase in violence against trans people.

Like "trans women are women", it's one of those claims that can be true if you change the meanings of the key words first.

ArabellaScott · 29/08/2025 07:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/08/2025 07:20

In the UK, where the law establishes a very basic entitlement to maternity and paternity leave and the rest is essentially left up to market forces (in terms of how much someone's employer decides to pay for enhanced maternity or paternity leave) some fathers actually get a better entitlement to paternity leave than the mother does for maternity leave. Both may be seen as generous compared to many other countries. (In France it's 16 weeks for women and 4 weeks for men, for example.)

I am struggling to think of a better example of pointless virtue signalling than boasting that your country offers generous maternity and paternity leave to trans men and trans women.

Firstly, yes, not to do so would be illegal discrimination. And secondly, trans people are the least likely demographic ever to need to use that entitlement, because they are the least likely people to have children. (For obvious reasons.)

Edited

Norway gives women 12 weeks maternity; parental leave is separate. And for either parent, just as it is here.

FrogFrogFrog · 29/08/2025 07:49

Coming late to this. But you do realise, OP, that anyone who uses ChatGPT can recognise the writing style a mile off, right?

Embarrassing. Try putting things in your own words next time. Here, I'll help:

'JKR is a big meanie and I have to try to discredit her.'

See? Much more succinct and honest.

DeanElderberry · 29/08/2025 07:54

Was busy elsewhere yesterday so couldn't read this then, but my response to the OP.

My feelings about 'gender' and male encroachment on the few freedoms and entitlements women fought for and won over the last couple of centuries are my own. I enjoy JKR's books, but if she had never existed my opinions would be the same. I do not follow her tweets, and only see them if an obsessed anti-fan sets up a post like yours.

I have been a feminist since I was in my teens in the 1970s. I read Greer, I read lots of other stuff, serious and light, by lots of other women. I read far too many news reports about creepy and violent men; I encountered more of them that I liked irl.

I noticed the threat to women's rights posed by genderists when I followed the Lydia Foy case in Ireland through the 1990s, before JKR wrote the first Harry Potter book, before the world went online.

The creepy men poisoned the well, long ago.

But top tip for the antis, lots of the actual fans will have our heads stuck in a book from next Tuesday on, so you'll be able to fribble away un-noticed.

DeanElderberry · 29/08/2025 08:06

Specifically, the two things that have nudged my thinking slightly in the last 30 hours or so:

The man in Minnesota who shot the children in church and the politicians and media who have fallen over themselves to call him 'she' and to affirm trans people, and the very weird people online who have lauded him and expressed hatred for the children and those who mourn them.

The man who started the thread here yesterday, starting with self-obsession about his feelings around gender, progressing on to his ego-driven sense of entitlement to use women's single-sex spaces, his complete disregard for women's feelings.

Both men. Nothing to do with JKR or KJK or any other public feminist. The genderist men have been able to not poison just the well but the whole world by their own actions and words.

ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 08:08

SnugPeach · 28/08/2025 23:41

Firstly ok thank you for acknowledging that I do experience distress.

Secondly ya I’m very much aware of the hard won rights women have gotten which has taken many years of fighting against an oppressive system that places men on top. Where women are still treated as lesser than men in all aspects of life. Healthcare, Safety, Law. Men are vastly more protected and the system works in a way to benefit them and protect them and their position. So yes I do understand the many fears many of you here have despite what you may think of me.

All I can say is this. I spent years and years, policing myself and my own feelings out of the fear of being seen as what some of you see me as now, a creepy man who wants to infiltrate some women’s space. I did that because I thought it was right. It bought me nothing but sadness, misery and contempt for my own existence. I don’t want to take or redefine anything away from you. I just want to be seen for who I am and included in that.

Agreeing with the OP's vile hate and misrepresentation of JK Rowling and what our beliefs are as feminists basically showed your true colours. You pretended to be reasonable, but the moment you agreed with that hateful, despicable rubbish from the OP, you exposed yourself as a male with Male Privilege who doesn't believe the female sex has a right to exist in spaces, especially intimate spaces where we are vulnerable, away from males. If you were any decent kind of person and fair minded, you'd never agree with that post.

SapphireSeptember · 29/08/2025 08:08

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools I'd missed the bit about biphobia! Which is what I get for not bothering to read that screed. 😅 What the actual fuck? How? JKR doesn't care about sexuality as far as I'm aware, (I've seen her accused of hating lesbians before, which is nonsense.) I'm bi and no one I've met in the GC movement has cared. Also Brew and 🍫 for you after all that!

Alucard55 · 29/08/2025 08:14

SnugPeach · 29/08/2025 00:27

Don’t you think I spent years already trying that. Why won’t any of you accept that’s not a reality that exists for me.

Because you're a man. Simples. We don't care about your sob story.

Alucard55 · 29/08/2025 08:15

I see the OP hasn't been back to tell us what rights trans people has lost.

ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 08:20

SnugPeach · 28/08/2025 23:46

Ok serious question what you have me do instead? What does you world with Trans people look like?

Except that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to be a man or woman. Your idea of being a woman is based solely on stereotypes, because you have no understanding of what it means to be a woman. It's a fetish. And no member of the oppressor and predator sex class has a right to culturally appropriate their prey/victims oppression.

JKR Didn’t Have an Opinion. She Poisoned the Well
JKR Didn’t Have an Opinion. She Poisoned the Well
ThatBlackCat · 29/08/2025 08:25

TrainedByCats · 28/08/2025 23:59

Why is it always about breasts for these men

Yep, that's how we know it's a sexual fetish for these men. They want their own breasts to play with. It's all about sex and sexual fetish. Their obsession with growing breasts proves it. SnugPeach has AGP, not dysphoria.

Igneococcus · 29/08/2025 08:30

Alucard55 · 29/08/2025 08:15

I see the OP hasn't been back to tell us what rights trans people has lost.

I'm still waiting for that reference to the "large scale DNA studies".

Alucard55 · 29/08/2025 08:32

SnugPeach · 28/08/2025 23:46

Ok serious question what you have me do instead? What does you world with Trans people look like?

Don't care just don't use women's single sex spaces. Everyone knows you're a man we can tell this from your attitude alone.

SinnerBoy · 29/08/2025 08:34

Lovely, lovely cuddly Norway.

I worked for a company and an entirely shift of ROV technicians - 6 men and 1 woman had come from a gas production platform. They'd resigned en masse. So many of its workers had resigned at the same time that production had to be halted.

The reason was that 2 men had been caught accessing CSA videos, whilst working on the platform and jailed for it. On release, they sued to be able to get their jobs back; they won.

It's a serious mistake to think that people agree with authorities and news media there, just because they are unwilling, or fearful to speak out.

DeanElderberry · 29/08/2025 08:37

Norway, like Ireland, can no longer give any reliable statistics on women or men because of self ID. There no longer are any statistically measurable women or men.

TrainedByCats · 29/08/2025 08:39

SnugPeach · 28/08/2025 23:41

Firstly ok thank you for acknowledging that I do experience distress.

Secondly ya I’m very much aware of the hard won rights women have gotten which has taken many years of fighting against an oppressive system that places men on top. Where women are still treated as lesser than men in all aspects of life. Healthcare, Safety, Law. Men are vastly more protected and the system works in a way to benefit them and protect them and their position. So yes I do understand the many fears many of you here have despite what you may think of me.

All I can say is this. I spent years and years, policing myself and my own feelings out of the fear of being seen as what some of you see me as now, a creepy man who wants to infiltrate some women’s space. I did that because I thought it was right. It bought me nothing but sadness, misery and contempt for my own existence. I don’t want to take or redefine anything away from you. I just want to be seen for who I am and included in that.

@SnugPeach I’m going back to this post of yours because I’m still struggling with the idea that you think being seen as a man is so much worse than being seen as, in your own words, a creepy man who wants to infiltrate some women’s spaces

If you persist in using women’s spaces in your T-shirt and leggings, clothing that ensures we can all see you’ve got artificially produced male breasts of a very specific size ‘DD’s’ as well as a penis we can all see you are indeed that creepy man you know you are. how is that better than being seen as a normal man?

You want to be seen and loved for who you are but who you are right now is someone that hears about how your appearance in womens places upsets women and says I’m going to continue to do what I want anyway because it’s what I want. How is that better than being seen as a normal man?

How can you think insisting you and other men like you should be able to access rape support services for women thus intimidating women who for good reasons are scared of male sexual violence and preventing them from getting support is better than being seen as a normal man?

Being a creepy sexually intimidating man in your leggings and T-shirt willing to infiltrate women’s spaces despite the distress you are causing women ensures you are seem as potentially being the worst sort of man. I wouldn’t tell you that face to face out of fear for male violence but I’d still think it, as will almost every woman you encounter (whilst we stay silent out of fear). Is that really how you want to be seen?

I’m hoping it isn’t really how you want the world to see you and urge you to find a way to be a better man

TheKeatingFive · 29/08/2025 08:53

Having read multiple posts from @SnugPeach over the last few days, I have not seen him express one jot of interest/compassion/empathy for another person.

Its basically just 'me, me, me, me, me', over and over, for days.

He is among the most self centred humans I've ever encountered.

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