Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Ooo progress

We are now at the twisting words to make up a fake history stage 😬

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/flouncers_corner
Incomming 🤣

Yes, they typically have gaps below and above the doors, and don't provide much privacy at all. Not to mention the fact that they make it very easy for perverts to use their phone to film a woman using the toilet.

On the plus side, they also allow you to be found quickly if you are taken ill whilst in the toilet, and the lack of privacy also means a man is unlikely to take the risk of sexually assaulting you in one.

So overall, they're the best option as long as we keep men out of ours.

"locked cubicles" that for safety reasons must open quickly and easily if pushed hard in case of medical emergency

Do you know nothing about basic heath and safety guidelines? Not just women's safety, everyone's safety who uses a locked cubicle.

Maybe they do in Australia, but YouGov polls consistently show that a majority of women in the UK don't want penis people in their female only spaces.

I think it’s time for another reminder of that summary of everything “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

In the UK, maybe. Not in Australia. None of us Aussies call it 'bathroom'. That's a yank term.

And you speak for everyone right including all women…😂

And I and others pointed out why your "research links" failed to support your claims or argument.

You lack of skill and failure to formulate a rational argument without falling back on trite personal attacks is amusing.

But your need to use trite personal attacks is speaking volumes.

Why do they not realise that the condescending, creepy tone does not do their argument any favours?

The contempt for women screams from every post.

(oh and this guy was on another thread talking about 'successful sexual assault' 🤮)

It makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

And they reckon we can't tell...

I would say I don't give a fuck what happens in Australia, but that's not entirely true. I did donate to Sall Grover's crowdfunder.

Ummm but you just did. So are you not Australian or are you just confused

Indeed😬

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts? @Howseitgoin was this not you?

Aussies don't call the fucken dunny a 'bathroom'. This is the most basic thing any Aussie knows.

So you're male and you're not an Aussie.

You've outed yourself. You misrepresent yourself and are just goading and trip-trapping over the bridge. You're no longer worth my time. Get your porn-soaked fantasy material off someone else.

Who is 'we'?

Are you royalty or a bunch of incoherent drunks?

I mean I’d heard Australia had a sexism nd misogyny problem but I thought people were exaggerating. It appears not if OP is an example

(oh and this guy was on another thread talking about 'successful sexual assault' 🤮)

Yes, it's a porn-soaked predator and Mens Rights incel dream. I'm hiding this thread and no longer going to respond to him elsewhere.

While I understand that some people don't have a problem with who uses female single sex spaces, other female people do have a problem. It is not just about safety, it is about privacy too.

Toilets are not just used behind a closed cubicle door. There are quite a few aspects of female toilet usage that happen in the public space, or even now still occur with a toilet door jammed open.

Well from my personal experience here is a list.

I have had to use the toilet while having a pram / pushchair jammed into the door with groceries.

I have had to have my mum use the public toilet because the disable toilet was not available and had her wheelchair jammed in the door because I couldn't leave her sit to move it and shut the door.

I have had breastmilk leaks / children's vomit / food spilled on my clothes and needed to have an unbuttoned top to dry the top under the hand drier.

I have come across other women quite regularly washing out their tops or their skirts etc and drying them enough to put back on .

I have friends who have miscarried in toilets and needed assistance and for that to be female people to make it more comfortable.

If you as a female person have not experienced these issues, that doesn't mean it is not happening. I am glad that you have never needed to do this things, it is uncomfortable and can be quite humiliating. But at least, in a female only toilet, it is a little better.

I think when people think of toilet usage, maybe they have never had to use the toilets in any other way other than behind a closed door. But the needs are still there and they are real for many female people to be able to engage in public life.

By the way, I posted this earlier in the thread and a poster accused me of 'exposing myself' because I had to use a toilet with my child's pram jamming the door open. This is the level that people who prioritise male people getting access to female toilets will resort to. If that poster was a mother, they obviously lived a very privileged life where they either had toilets for parents provided, or never once had to use public transport to get supplies for their family while having no choice but to shop alone. I wish that all mothers had that privilege, but we don't.

I met a strange lady. She made me nervous. She took me in and gave me breakfast. She said-
do you come from a land down under. Where women glow and men chunder.

(oh and this guy was on another thread talking about 'successful sexual assault' 🤮)

WTAF

These men be like this:

Well the foe naivety is not new, nor is the holier than thou snearing attitude, but the scenario is new so I'll bite
Now i know that this will be hard for you to understand but women are allowed privacy and dignity when they are getting changed, using the toilet's, when in hospital and anywhere else that we're in a vulnerable position or partially undressed.
Workplace sleaze balls dont get to watch women change or listen to them pee in the women's facilities so are not a risk to our privacy and dignity in the same way as the men who invade women's spaces are. They also dont pose the same risk of assault, voyeurism or indecent exposure as the men who invade women's single sex spaces. What they tend to be is the neanderthal type of man who likes to make inappropriate comments which get their sleazy arses fired. Honestly there's nothing more satisfying than watching the office perv being escorted off the premises by security and knowing that not only will you never have to deal with him again but hes going to have problems explaining his being fired for sexual harassment at all future job interviews and the chefs kiss is the look of fear on the faces of the men who stayed silent or joined in when they realise that they need to change their behaviour if they want to keep their jobs too.
Basically its risk profile, all men potentially pose a risk so we keep them all out of our single sex facilities where women are particularly vulnerable or need privacy from men for our dignity and safety, they just don't pose the same risk when in everyday interactions in the office or works site.
May I suggest that you learn about risk profile and accept that women have rights separate from men even those men who claim special identities because no matter how hard you mantrum that's not going to change. You tried your hardest used all your best tactics and still lost. Women's brains maybe smaller than men's but their more powerful which is why we're smarter and will always win this battle but do keep trying as its very entertaining

I'm not sure what your point is op. Men harass women everywhere? Yup. We know that.

And do you care for the women who do have a problem?

Go and goad some men about this. They created the problem.

Aussie here.

No, I don’t call it a ‘bathroom’. None of my friends or family call it a bathroom unless it has showers. We called it the toilets, the dunny, the loo, the thunderbox. And surprisingly, we also used the term the ‘female toilets’ . Very occasionally ‘the ladies’’.