Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Yes! your'e almost there! Male & female behavioural patterns are a fact that is a distinguishing sexual characteristic.

But trans women don't behave like women, so this isn't the winning argument you seem to think it is.

And it’s a sexual characteristic.

Sex. Not bloody “gender feelz”.

Trans women are MALE.

“Um, If you think men are never alone with women in the work space I have a bridge to sell you.”

And now we get to your inability to understand consent.

You really cannot think you are going to win with the way you apply absolutism.

Anyone else thinking thank fuck we are over page 30?

Trans women offend at male rates, not female rates, in this respect. UK government statistics about this have already been supplied by another poster.

Totally debunked link upthread.
So where this factor matters it makes sense to consider them as men. Which they are

This is interesting.

Could you please explain who should be treated as ‘men’ because ‘they are’?

Are you now saying that tranwomen are women… except when they are in prison? Is that why you refer to Dolatowski as ‘he’?

So, apparently being incarcerated male people with transgender identities are no longer to be considered women? Yet you have spoken about these males being part of womanhood (and by extension, girlhood). However, being a woman or girl is not something that can be ever taken away. Because it is an abiding category label for a human of the female sex.

Incarcerated female people are still women…

It is pretty clear that you never believed that a group of male people were female. Female people having single sex provisions seem to really agitate you though.

oh and no, Allslop didn’t debunk anything at all. And unsurprisingly, a court would consider those numbers published under FOI to be an accurate indication of numbers of male people with transgender identities in UK prison and would correctly compare those numbers to male and female prison statistics when needed.

Your comparison with Sharia Law is irrelevant. And for someone who has been hyper focused on ‘rights’, you now have pivoted to moral obligation now that the ‘human rights’ aspect doesn’t work for you.

Comprehension fail.
You brought up that convention justified acceptance I simply highlighted how ethically problematic the principle of maintaining conventions was using the example of sharia law. That you are unable to comprehend anything meaningful from that obvious comparison is on you. And challenging the ethics of relying on convention in no way contradicts the legitimacy of self determination as relevant to human rights which isn't my just opinion but enshrined in HR charter.

"I can only take it that you agree with what I wrote though about there being no human right to expect privacy to get changed in a space designated as being for single sex only. I mean coming from Australia with the many swimming pool and beach change rooms, you would know that these conform legally with no need to have cubicles? It is just the same as in the UK in case you are wondering."

Yes I agree. My point was simply if the standard/principle is based on comfort levels which GC's argue is then these are subjective. Tradition or convention doesn't necessarily justify one over another.

You see, your absolutism arguments are continuing to fail you. Just as they always have failed you.

Because comfort is not the only aspect to be considered in sex segregation. It is safety and privacy and dignity away from the opposite sex.

If you need it simplified even further how about this:

privacy from opposite sex - reasonable expectation in single sex spaces

privacy from people of your own sex - not reasonable expectation in single sex spaces

Shall we just continue to go around and around. Your posts keep the thread in trending and that brings new readers in. Thanks for that.

Share behavioural commonalities with women”
What the fuck are these behavioural commonalities?
Please do give some examples.

Interests/inclinations/expressions/temperament more commonplace in CIS women. An expression of Big five personality traits of Agreeableness & Neuroticism (sensitivity) more common in women. IE A more feminine temperament. Inclinations towards & expressions of feminine attire/presentation. Interests in pursuits more common to women like caring professions/pursuits & female consumerism. I could go on & on.

I understood why you introduced it.

It doesn’t make it relevant for the discussion on this topic though.

You can keep telling people that they are failing to comprehend your points. Doesn’t make it true that they are failing to comprehend your point though.

Although, let’s not forget that often it is because your point is incoherent.

I discovered that trans activism was doing damage before I knew JKRowling had any interest in the matter at all. I don't consider it my business to scrutinise and comment on everything she says. No doubt I'd agree with some of it and disagree with other parts. That's normal.

No, the statistics have not been "debunked" in any way that matters. There's no reason to view trans women as being comparable to women when it comes to serious crime.

I've now seen your list up thread about alleged behavioural resemblances between transwomen and women, but I'm not quite sure what it's supposed to prove in terms of bodily privacy, dignity and safety. I'm no safer just because somebody likes shopping. A very visible minority of the men who claim to be women have made it plain that they are not "agreeable" in any sense of the word and have male physical capabilities if they decide to be unpleasant. Why should women expose themselves to the risk?

'But trans women don't behave like women, so this isn't the winning argument you seem to think it is."

They tend to exhibit a temperament more common in females not to mention their expressions & inclinations are more female coded than men.

I have said this before: the blatant disdain for women that TRAs display on these threads makes me more determined to fight this shit. Geeez OP do you really not have the slightest inkling how you come across and how stupid and incoherent your arguments are?

@Howseitgoin

Can you please properly format your posts? They are now incomprehensible.

Maybe you should learn the features of the site you have decided to enter before you start threads?

Of course, though you have a high likelihood of typing one handed, maybe on a phone, so I understand that it might be tough accessing the format features of this site.

As I said when a woman is a lone with a man/men then she will always be at increased risk. Luckily most men by a long way in the modern workplace are not interested in taking advantage of the size difference, and there are penalties for people that do.

I have read a lot of your posts and from them I summise that you are a trans-woman/man. You also have a pattern of black and white thinking i.e. if a woman is alone with a man that must mean she will be attacked regardless of where that is.

I have read and listened to Dr. Az Hakeem who has worked extensively with TG women and he reports that a large group of TG women are on the autistic spectrum. One of the issues is people with ASD find it hard to understand the world from another persons perspective. Therefore they rely on arguments based in their world view and reality and what they want without considering that other people also have relevant views. He even goes as far to say that Gender Dysphoria is more likely to be a symptom of a condition, than a condition in itself. Does this ring true for you?

Temperaments? Are we back in ancient Greece?

I believe that is the point though Igneococcus, I believe we are to completely understand the disdain that OP has for women. And that everyone sees this.

This OP is really nailing something while on this thread.

I disagree with this statement. This is another example of black and white thinking. If you behave like this then you must be a woman, if you behave like this then you must be a man. That isn't true and behaviour can both change with time and circumstances.

“They tend to exhibit a temperament more common in females not to mention their expressions & inclinations are more female coded than men.”

Please post the evidence to back this statement. I think we are all looking forward to it.

I mean, you are now telling feminists all about sexist stereotypes, so bring on that evidence!

I take it you don’t know many women then?

"Are you now saying that tranwomen are women… except when they are in prison? Is that why you refer to Dolatowski as ‘he’? So, apparently being incarcerated male people with transgender identities are no longer to be considered women? Yet you have spoken about these males being part of womanhood (and by extension, girlhood). However, being a woman or girl is not something that can be ever taken away. Because it is an abiding category label for a human of the female sex.
Incarcerated female people are still women…

It is pretty clear that you never believed that a group of male people were female. Female people having single sex provisions seem to really agitate you though."

No. Trans women just like CIS women are capable of committing rape. Their individual criminality has no bearing on whether they qualify as women.

oh and no, Allslop didn’t debunk anything at all. And unsurprisingly, a court would consider those numbers published under FOI to be an accurate indication of numbers of male people with transgender identities in UK prison and would correctly compare those numbers to male and female prison statistics when needed.

Yeah where? In fact the high court did look at those numbers & found they were statistically insignificant.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/02/trans-women-with-sex-offence-convictions-in-female-jails-lawful-rules-judge

😂

Maybe, it would be an explanation, you'd need Sturgeonesque levels of lack of self awareness otherwise to think you'd advance your cause this way.

Or it could be that he is biased i.e. he only registers those traits in women, and subconciously discounts others (either ones he has ascribed to masculinity or those ascribed as neutral).

Therefore people who go against this code are unnatural and must be changed.

How do you think Katie Dolatowski, Isla Bryson and Karen White exemplify these behavioural qualities, out of interest?

OP is very unhappy that female people are highly likely to be able to correctly identify a male person’s sex.

wE cAn aLwAyS tEll

wE cAn aLwAyS tEll

Why does this irk you so much?

Women are not actually capable of committing rape, because you need a penis to commit rape, which is not something any woman has or ever has had.

Trans women are capable of committing rape because they are men.

As usual, you are completely wrong.

That article is four years old and so completely irrelevant in 2025. The Supreme Court has confirmed that the decision to house male offenders in women's prisons was unlawful.