What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

One of you is so fumin' she's typing in CAPS, the rest of you are jumping over anyone who doesn't say that they'd immediately confront any trans person in a toilet 😂

Have a day off. I'm off out for a busy day of not being bothered by trans people.

Well they are irresponsible then, let’s not pretend that lone young children aren’t ever at risk from women or older kids of either gender.

Boring.....no opinion whatsoever ?

I mention this from time to time, but it's worth bringing it up again, because there are men with all sorts of vulnerabilities who might be worried about public toilets.

I know a man who, well into adulthood, still avoids public toilets when he can because of being accosted by a nonce in a public toilet when he was a teenage boy.

Should my friend get a special government pass saying that, because of his trauma response, he's entitled to use safer female facilities?

I would say no. And he, being a decent man, wouldn't think to ask the question. Because you've only got my word for it that he's lovely and harmless.

The basic principle of safeguarding deriving from the fact that men commit 98% of sexual offences is that female single sex facilities are safe to the extent that they're restricted to the female sex and they exclude the male sex, even lovely male people with vulnerabilities. Because once you start allowing special men into women's spaces, there goes the neighbourhood.

This doesn't do anything to help the vulnerable men and boys, but that's not a problem that can be solved by women and girls budging up for any man who says he's vulnerable.

And yes, I'd be less worried about a man presenting as a man who's just busting for a pee and leaves quickly, than I would be about a man who walks into the ladies in a bad wig and a leather miniskirt with his bollocks hanging out.

@Velmy
So you can't show me who said trans people existing makes them angry?

Enjoy your day. Put a nice cool dress on, it's still Summer.
But not too much make up, we wear less in hot weather.
Oh, and cotton pants and no tights....

When winter comes, we can give you more tips.

HTH

You don't have to be 'bothered' by transwomen to question why they're not being held to the same rules/standards as other men.

Why do they get special exemptions?

Women know who are men almost all of the time.
The women who don't conform to gender stereotypes are generally safe from being considered men, because a) they are actually women and look and sound like women, and b) men who pretend to be women adopt those gender stereotypes like it's their new religion - caked on makeup, bad wigs, overly floral or sexualised clothing, heels and tights (never trousers, comfy shoes and short hair). They also often have male patten baldness, are large of frame and shoulder, taller than most women, big hands and feet, adams apples etc etc.

Women who feel more comfortable in trousers, trainers, no makeup etc are still very obviously women to all who encounter them. They don't need to "perform womanhood".

Yes indeed. We need a number for the collateral damage.

Yes it is also why children should be able to go into the toilet of the sex of their adult carer. That is an exception to the single sex rule and one EHRC have correctly picked up.

It also is why I get annoyed when people think opposite sex adult-child pair should have more privacy than that of an adult-child pair of the same sex. There are lots of cases where children aged from 4 upwards have been led into very private toilets in very public spaces. In all incidents that I know of, no one knew anything had happened until the child bravely told the police or parent - sometimes years later.

One incident I can’t get my head round is Rochdale council workers overlooked a set of public toilets and could see school boys going in and out with men. This was very obviously organised sex crime.

And if some men in dresses are worried about using the ladies in case women confront them, they'd also feel much better not using them.

@Dominoeffecter I only know of 1 incident where a woman teacher sexually assaulted a school boy in a plane toilet but it was not in this country.

All the thousands of others in the UK statistics are men sexually assaulting women, girls and boys.

If you have single sex design it protects boys because the cubicles aren’t private. It is an offence to have sex in a public toilet under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. People don’t like witnesses when they are committing crimes.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/71

Well, exactly. There's a very easy fix for those men, isn't there?

The women, on the other hand, have nowhere else to go.

So far we had a male poster declare that it had to be over 100 each year. And we had a poster say 35, never knew if that was per year or total.

I would love someone who declares that male people with transgender identities in female single sex spaces are just a distraction and that we need to keep focus on other issues to quantify their political conviction.

Otherwise, they are hiding behind ‘we have bigger issues’ so they can feel wonderfully righteous.

If one cannot understand why a rape survivor is upset and typing a few words in caps (as if that's a big deal!) then one isn't human.
You may think change male to 'trans person' changes the topic and narrative, but it doesn't. You may even convince yourself that calling a male a 'trans person' changes the narrative and makes that male safe, but it doesn't and you won't ever convince women that a male in a dress is now 'safe' because he wears a dress.

Of course, it's telling that you are obsessed with someone typing a few measly words in caps... you have absolutely NO argument whatsoever, so have to flail about clinging at strawmen. I feel sorry for you.

So a return to the urinary leash for the women those spaces are for, just because the men those spaces are NOT for, and who have their own spaces, refuse to stay out of them?

I don't think you'll find much support for your point of view on a feminist discussion board.

WTAF

There are more trans women currently serving custodial sentences for sex offences than your back of a fag packet estimate.

There's also no way of telling the difference between a trans woman and a cis man, so the only sensible approach is to treat them the same.

It's irresponsible to send a 6 year old into the ladies by themselves?
I'd say that was ridiculous, but given that there may be random men in there nowadays and nobody feels safe or able to challenge it, perhaps you have a point.
I agree - women's facilities are no longer safe.

Can't they 'pass' in their own toilet?
Why do we have to make way for men?
ANY men??

At what age do you think it is reasonable to let a girl go to the toilet on her own?

In my opinion, yes.

No such thing as cis men.
There's just men and women.

It never really came up because I would always take the opportunity to go if they were going, so I can’t honestly answer that.

So again, what's the suggested limit for collateral damage in ladies toilets?

OK, so imagine your daughter was out with her dad.

At what age do you think it is appropriate for her dad to let her go to the toilet on her own?