Germany "Neo-Nazi changes gender to serve in women’s prison"

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Given the German legislature's bonkers decision last year (that allows 14 year old children to change their names and adults to apply for that for children even younger), let's hope this is their Sturgeon moment.

But more importantly than that, let's hope the female inmates at Chemnitz remain safe from this monstrous man. He'll be easy to spot, what with his full lady-moustache and repellent views.

Main link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/20/neo-nazi-changes-gender-serve-womens-prison/
Archive link: https://archive.ph/F7UFn

The issue is that they are all just men and none of them should be in women’s prisons.

By the way, there is no doubt at all that male people with transgender identities are more dangerous than ‘cis’ women**

The prisoner statistics are clear that this group of male people do not have the same level of risk or lower risk of committing sex or violent crime as female people.

** cis women is a meaningless term because it also include male people
with differences of sex development such as Caster Semenya. Cis women does not mean just female people.

They're all men, mate.

That's how we make it make sense.

Prisoner statistics are clear that this group of male people do not have the same level of risk or lower risk of committing sex or violent crime as female people.

That's my point I was rejecting. These statistics are evidently not "clear", they are likely overestimates.

As argued in the thread idiot prison authorities (including as happens in the UK) and no doubt some other idiots think any man who turns up in prison and claims there and then to be female - despite having no other evidence - is telling the truth. Of course not.

Thus there will be a number of these rather obvious male fakers in the stats of transwomen in prison and your "clear" stats are clearly inaccurate.

Thus the statistics are likely to overestimate the dangers of trans in the wider community - i.e. I've seen plenty of times these flawed statistics used to show the risk to women in toilets, changing rooms etc in other threads on here.

For those who are saying they are men and shouldn't be in women's prisons even if hypothetically they posed no risk - fine that's a logical argument.

For those saying we can't tell the difference - really? You can't tell the difference between a man who has turned up on his court date in a dress and a transwoman who has changed their name 20 years ago to female, has medically transitioned and has a GRC?

I wonder what the police description of the fugitive says? Are they looking for a man, a woman or a man half-arsedly pretending to be a woman? I'd hate to see women with florid handlebar moustaches misgendered by Interpol.

For those saying we can't tell the difference - really? You can't tell the difference between a man who has turned up on his court date in a dress and a transwoman who has changed their name 20 years ago to female, has medically transitioned and has a GRC?

Germany has self ID. There is LITERALLY no way to tell. And if you misgender someone the maximum fine is EUR 10,000

So whatever you do, UK, don't fall into the trap of passing self ID laws. Or there won't be any Isla Bryson moments. It will be too late.

For those saying we can't tell the difference - really? You can't tell the difference between a man who has turned up on his court date in a dress and a transwoman who has changed their name 20 years ago to female, has medically transitioned and has a GRC?

So what is the criteria that you think equals 'tru trans'?

Whatever you do, UK, don't fall into the trap of passing self ID laws. Or there won't be any Isla Bryson moments. It will be too late

I agree, however there's been similar problems in UK prisons already.

I was reading the Women who wouldn't wheesht, seeing as it was banned, and a chapter by a prison governor said there were blokes wandering around even admitting it.

Hence my point about UK prison statistics being unreliable, once you've conceded there are obviously fakers as this thread has.

It is transphobic to state that any male person with a transgender identity is not transgender. Surely you understand this.

You, personally, are not the arbitrator of who is and isn’t a male person with a transgender identity. Neither am I. And there is no one in the UK who can arbitrate this.

You also seem to forget that those stats don’t include the male people we already know are in the UK prisons with GRCs (yet we also don’t know if they are there with any sex offences in their history or if that are there with those offences because the MoJ will not release this information). The number could be higher than what we know.

The entire point is that the numbers are also nothing like those of female people’s sex and violent prisoner numbers.

Also, what is the point of a male person declaring that they are female if they don’t get put into a female prison? The numbers of male sex offenders in the female prison are only a few still. Not anywhere near the numbers of male people with transgender identities in those statistics.

Please do tell me what benefit those male people get if they have declared that they are female again, if they are not in the female estate now? Why would they continue to identify as female if they are not in female estate if they were not genuinely male people with transgender identities?

And why would you assume that all long term male people with transgender identities have GRCs. That is a fairly prejudiced assumption you have just made there.

If as agreed in this thread, some trans prisoners are clearly opportunists then the prison stats are unreliable. That doesn't require me to have a "tru trans" criteria: it is just logic and statistics.

Are we also supposed to assume that a male person with a transgender identity with a GRC is less likely to commit a sex crime than one without a GRC?

Based on what evidence?

This thread is about a German prisoner.

Is transphobic to state that any male person with a transgender identity is not transgender. Surely you understand this

Now you are resorting to strawman arguments and pointing a transphobia finger. Because I'm saying someone who claims a trans identity when faced with prison is probably making it up?

What next, I'm racist and homophobic? 😂

So, what is your solution?

How does the MoJ arbitrate who should and should not be included in those transgender prison statistics when the law allows all those male people who have been included in the statistics to declare that they are transgender?

I'm asking what you propose to stop 'opportunists' getting into women's spaces?

Or is that not your concern?

I'm aware, I'm posting it here because the inconsistency occured to me reading this thread about prisons which applies in the UK.

Are you denying that UK prisons have or have had any issues with rather obvious fake trans prisoners?

I was hoping the logic would speak for itself tbh.

Are you denying that UK prisons have or have had any issues with rather obvious fake trans prisoners?

What's your definition of 'fake trans'?

I'm simply pointing out that the prison statistics used for the general danger of trans are by the logic of this thread unreliable.

Please don't expect me to answer a series of tangential questions or imply i don't care about women's safety.

I'm not in charge of women's prisons FFS. I am just pointing out that the arguments across this space are inconsistent.

Rtft

You're saying these statistics include 'fake' transwomen.

But what definition are you using for these 'fake' transwomen?

But you are considered transphobic if you are arbitrating who is and who isn’t trans.

The point is, there are what you would call ‘genuine’ male people with transgender identities in prison for sex crimes. Because we have new reports of their previous crimes that refer to them as being trans and they have then committed other crimes. Or they were described as ‘women’ when the police were searching for them or when they were charged .

So, I think you are over estimating the number of those who you are considering ‘not transgender at all.’

The inclusion of a few who may be ‘faking’ it still doesn’t decrease the numbers to be the same or a lower rate of female sex offenders.

I'm none the wiser?

How are we supposed to identify a fake?

So how many sex offenders did the writer in Women who wouldn’t wheest say were faking it?

Or have you just decided for your that if a couple are, then they all must be?

Germany "Neo-Nazi changes gender to serve in women’s prison". He claimed a female gender identity only after being convicted of a series of offenses.

Many on the thread have pointed out that this is dubious and likely fake situations here - i.e. we've been told noone would want to pretend to be a woman etc. etc.

There have been similar situations in the UK as in i.e. the chapter of the book I mentioned of very dubious checking.

Putting both together that means using UK prison stats for criminality of transgender overestimates them.

So what is the criteria that you think should be used to distinguish real from fake?