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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Germany "Neo-Nazi changes gender to serve in women’s prison"

139 replies

singthing · 20/08/2025 18:11

Given the German legislature's bonkers decision last year (that allows 14 year old children to change their names and adults to apply for that for children even younger), let's hope this is their Sturgeon moment.

But more importantly than that, let's hope the female inmates at Chemnitz remain safe from this monstrous man. He'll be easy to spot, what with his full lady-moustache and repellent views.

Main link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/20/neo-nazi-changes-gender-serve-womens-prison/
Archive link: https://archive.ph/F7UFn

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SootherSue · 20/08/2025 18:14

He's not a him, he's a swastik-HER, bigot.

Bluebootsgreenboots · 20/08/2025 18:21

Are you suggesting that this poor man has transitioned just to avoid being incarcerated in a prison with other men?? I’m shocked I tell you. Stunned. Who’d have thought?

singthing · 20/08/2025 18:27

Bluebootsgreenboots · 20/08/2025 18:21

Are you suggesting that this poor man has transitioned just to avoid being incarcerated in a prison with other men?? I’m shocked I tell you. Stunned. Who’d have thought?

I'm sorry, I forgot to add that this is something that never happens.

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Boiledbeetle · 20/08/2025 18:34

Bluebootsgreenboots · 20/08/2025 18:21

Are you suggesting that this poor man has transitioned just to avoid being incarcerated in a prison with other men?? I’m shocked I tell you. Stunned. Who’d have thought?

I'm sure it's completely coincidental that he realised he was truly a woman just as the prospect of prison time reared it's head.

ChaToilLeam · 20/08/2025 18:38

Thanks for posting! Haven't heard a dicky bird about this here in Deutschland.

TheKeatingFive · 20/08/2025 18:41

But I was told this would never happen 🤔

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 20/08/2025 18:44

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo

Just came here to post this.

"Whether the change is serious is doubtful," wrote Der Spiegel. "Liebich has been known for years for her right-wing extremist views and has also made queerphobic statements in the past."

of course, this never happens and no one would ever do this.

BundleBoogie · 20/08/2025 18:56

However, Dennis Cernota, a senior prosecutor in Saxony, said that Liebich would be interviewed upon arrival to check whether it was appropriate for him to be placed among female prisoners. If it is decided that Liebich poses a threat to other inmates, or to law and order inside the prison, he may be transferred, she added.

What on earth kind of interview will reliably determine whether a man is safe to be placed among female prisoners??

“Herr Liebich, are you planning to sexually harass, bully or rape any women while you’re here?”

“No, pinky promise I won’t honest guv”.

“OK, the word of a convicted criminal is good enough for me, women stop being bigots!”

Bluebootsgreenboots · 20/08/2025 19:00

To be fair, the poor politicians who put this new legislation in place might be realising that they are in a delicate situation. They should consider calling in someone with experience for advice on how to handle it.
Does anyone have a contact no for Nicola? 😉

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/08/2025 19:03

Wow, and I thought self ID caused zero issues ever?

moto748e · 20/08/2025 19:05

Whether he's a neo-Nazi or not is neither here nor there. Point is, he's a man.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/08/2025 19:47

I got the impression, on reading that, that this is a policy the neo-nazis have decided on. If any others are jailed in the future I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly decide that they have lady brains. It's win-win for them. They get a cushier prison, they think they'll be at the top of the pecking order, might get sex, and show up this stupid law.

Of course he might be genuinely transHmm

moggly · 20/08/2025 21:05

Yet another case of POGD

Heggettypeg · 20/08/2025 21:17

lcakethereforeIam · 20/08/2025 19:47

I got the impression, on reading that, that this is a policy the neo-nazis have decided on. If any others are jailed in the future I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly decide that they have lady brains. It's win-win for them. They get a cushier prison, they think they'll be at the top of the pecking order, might get sex, and show up this stupid law.

Of course he might be genuinely transHmm

This is ringing a bell. I'm sure there's been a thread about this case, or a similar one, on here a while back.

RandomlyGeneratedTriad · 20/08/2025 21:22

The article says that he is male in German criminal law and a woman in civil law. Can this be right? He has two different legal sexes plus one actual sex? That's a bit multitudinous.

Also wanted to say, I love his look. If he was just being gender non-conformist, rather than lying about his sex (and if he wasn't a Nazi, obvs) I would give him a hug for it.

TheKeatingFive · 20/08/2025 21:27

RandomlyGeneratedTriad · 20/08/2025 21:22

The article says that he is male in German criminal law and a woman in civil law. Can this be right? He has two different legal sexes plus one actual sex? That's a bit multitudinous.

Also wanted to say, I love his look. If he was just being gender non-conformist, rather than lying about his sex (and if he wasn't a Nazi, obvs) I would give him a hug for it.

Omg how fucking ludicrous 🙄

NotBadConsidering · 20/08/2025 21:31

moto748e · 20/08/2025 19:05

Whether he's a neo-Nazi or not is neither here nor there. Point is, he's a man.

I don’t think it’s here nor there. Because it forces TRAs to openly admit their policy of self-ID is flawed.

When they chant “trans women are women!” they want to project the idea that the men they’re referring to are all lovely, oppressed, dysphoric sufferers who just want to pee. These sorts of stories force them to effectively chant “Neo Nazi trans women are women!” and “rapist trans women are women!” and “murderer trans women are women!

Of course men shouldn’t be in women’s prisons anyway, but making TRAs admit (not that they do) that loopholes will be exploited or making legislators see past this notion of sad tragic males who need to be treated as a vulnerable group is important, IMO.

moto748e · 20/08/2025 21:38

NotBadConsidering · 20/08/2025 21:31

I don’t think it’s here nor there. Because it forces TRAs to openly admit their policy of self-ID is flawed.

When they chant “trans women are women!” they want to project the idea that the men they’re referring to are all lovely, oppressed, dysphoric sufferers who just want to pee. These sorts of stories force them to effectively chant “Neo Nazi trans women are women!” and “rapist trans women are women!” and “murderer trans women are women!

Of course men shouldn’t be in women’s prisons anyway, but making TRAs admit (not that they do) that loopholes will be exploited or making legislators see past this notion of sad tragic males who need to be treated as a vulnerable group is important, IMO.

Sure, But I was thinking more of equality under the law. The law should apply equally to everyone, including neo-Nazis. So if you were previously OK with a law, but now have misgivings because you see it's being exploited by neo-Nazis, then maybe you should have thought a bit harder. 🙄

But yeah, agree with your point about how it points up the lack of logic/consistency in the TRA position.

SidewaysOtter · 20/08/2025 21:47

RandomlyGeneratedTriad · 20/08/2025 21:22

The article says that he is male in German criminal law and a woman in civil law. Can this be right? He has two different legal sexes plus one actual sex? That's a bit multitudinous.

Also wanted to say, I love his look. If he was just being gender non-conformist, rather than lying about his sex (and if he wasn't a Nazi, obvs) I would give him a hug for it.

Love his look and you'd hug him for it if he wasn't - so unfortunate! - a Nazi? Hmm

Have you been sniffing solvents?

murasaki · 20/08/2025 22:23

Ah, a twat in a hat.

JanesLittleGirl · 20/08/2025 22:25

The guy is clearly an unpleasant neo-nazi and this actually makes him a perfect character to FAFO the German self-id law. He shows how fucking stupid the whole thing is, both intentionally and unintentionally.

JoanOgden · 20/08/2025 22:25

I'm appalled by all this criticism of a stunning and brave woman who is simply living her truth. Inspirational 😍

Boiledbeetle · 21/08/2025 01:03

Now the TRAs have an actual Neo Nazi on the stunning and brave team. How are they going to cope? It buggers up a lot of their chants and signs claiming that gender critical women are the ones who are nazis.

RedToothBrush · 21/08/2025 01:07

RandomlyGeneratedTriad · 20/08/2025 21:22

The article says that he is male in German criminal law and a woman in civil law. Can this be right? He has two different legal sexes plus one actual sex? That's a bit multitudinous.

Also wanted to say, I love his look. If he was just being gender non-conformist, rather than lying about his sex (and if he wasn't a Nazi, obvs) I would give him a hug for it.

He's definitely a male in the shower though I bet.

fromorbit · 21/08/2025 03:44

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