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TheAmusedQuail · 21/08/2025 07:13

ninjahamster · 20/08/2025 16:22

I think he is totally right.

Me too.

JoyDivision79 · 21/08/2025 07:30

TheAmusedQuail · 21/08/2025 07:13

Me too.

He needs to present his examples and statistics on the hate he talks of and then also present the reality regarding statistics demonstrating the hateful impact of trans dogma and trans militancy on women.

Without understanding this, which he won't, without accurate details, which he won't have, he's in no position to do this. It's virtue signalling without the full picture.

I don't deny trans people can and do experience hatred btw. I also don't support hatred presented as cruelty and bullying of individuals simply trying to live their life ( not in my private space of course) .

AnSolas · 21/08/2025 07:55

StMarie4me · 21/08/2025 04:01

WTAF?! Are you…. Are you suggesting that any carers, female, male, trans, are SEXUALISING ELDERLY CARE???

Wow. That’s a new low on here. Thought I’d seen all the twisted hate I could, on here, but wow.

Sexualising care. Just wow.

You are a bit behind the information curve on elder abuse.

Why do you think that men who physically or sexually abuse others would not become involved with a section of the community who are vulnerable and easy to access?

Shedmistress · 21/08/2025 08:28

More Stories about Trans People?

There's a thread for you already mate, fill your boots.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

SprayWhiteDung · 21/08/2025 09:02

Namelessnelly · 21/08/2025 05:46

To be fair, as non binary means not confirming to gender stereotypes, I’d say nearly 100% of people are non binary so we’re all under the trans umberella. So yay!

True, actually... but 'coming out' as non-binary does rather imply that you're one of the few special ones.

It's cute and brave when you do it; but just boring and missing the point entirely when they do!

SprayWhiteDung · 21/08/2025 09:16

AnSolas · 21/08/2025 07:55

You are a bit behind the information curve on elder abuse.

Why do you think that men who physically or sexually abuse others would not become involved with a section of the community who are vulnerable and easy to access?

All absolutely true.

But even if it weren't true, there's this thing called dignity.

Even if you could 100% guarantee that somebody of the opposite sex has no interest sexually or desire to act inappropriately, the people receiving the care (or using single-sex changing rooms etc.) do not want or actively consent to somebody of the opposite sex forcing their way into the place/responsibility, even if they are 'just looking'.

It works both ways around: even though a woman in a men's single-sex changing room would be highly unlikely to pose any risk to the men there, the vast majority of men would very much not want her to be there, and would find that her presence threatens their dignity.

Caring is a little more complicated, as there are comparatively few male carers and not enough for all of the men needing care; but a man still has an absolute right not to be intimately cared for by a woman - purely because she is female - if he so chooses.

Helleofabore · 21/08/2025 09:19

StMarie4me · 21/08/2025 04:01

WTAF?! Are you…. Are you suggesting that any carers, female, male, trans, are SEXUALISING ELDERLY CARE???

Wow. That’s a new low on here. Thought I’d seen all the twisted hate I could, on here, but wow.

Sexualising care. Just wow.

WTAF?!

Do you not understand that people want to have same sex care for a range of reasons?

Or did you immediately jump to outrage because you cannot consider that there are legitimate reasons a person may want same sex care?

And yes, there are instances of male people sexually abusing older female people. But don't let that knowledge interrupt your moral outrage session. Oh... and privacy and dignity away from the opposite sex counts a great deal for people who need assistance to care for themselves too. Just so you know...

RedToothBrush · 21/08/2025 09:40

StMarie4me · 21/08/2025 04:01

WTAF?! Are you…. Are you suggesting that any carers, female, male, trans, are SEXUALISING ELDERLY CARE???

Wow. That’s a new low on here. Thought I’d seen all the twisted hate I could, on here, but wow.

Sexualising care. Just wow.

You are aware that grannies get raped aren't you?

Just because they are old and crinkly doesn't mean they are safe from sexual abuse.

Unfortunately because they are vulnerable they are a target.

Don't forget some men actively placed 'fuck a pig' and have a mentality of 'any goal is a hole'.

Did you think this type of man suddenly developed morals, standards or respect for women after they reached a certain age?

This is the first result I got from Google on the subject. It says that sexual abuse of the elderly is more common than you think with one of the problems being that victims often can't report the abuse or are not believed. (You are aiding that culture here with your disbelief)
https://www.nursinghomeabusecenter.com/elder-abuse/types/sexual-abuse/

The common offender? A carer.

I could have picked many other articles on the subject. This is just the first I looked at. It's widespread and a known significant issue.

Given that patterns of offending do not change following males transitioning, we absolutely should be worried about ALL male carers of women regardless of the age, disability or mental capacity of that woman (or girl).

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock to you, but it's not MN providing this low. We are just aware of the problem, you don't want to acknowledge and you are actively shooting the messenger on this subject.

Go away and do some research.

Rylan
JoyDivision79 · 21/08/2025 09:57

I have come across some of the scariest, bizarre and unhinged people whilst at my most vulnerable; in hospital. I'm not talking about the patients either. Plenty were women. Yet, the point is true that places where you have vulnerable people can be ideal for abusive people. I've seen them!

During one admission, incredibly vulnerable and afraid and stuck in my bed, a man in a dress was placed next to me talking about the poo all over himself as they cleaned him. I have no qualms about that element as we all had horrible situations. But the fact it was a man doing this, next to me, very entitled lying there wasn't right. At this moment I was still bekind brigade.

No one could say anything because we felt the authoritarian militancy behind this. Still a problem in many quarters I believe; being silenced that is.

We had a male HCA involved in doing really difficult personal things. I was in so much pain I didn't care too much. But he made me feel a bit uncomfortable with the demeanor he had. I did not like this.

Then a trainee male doctor who was bordering on insane and scared us so much we demanded the wrong un go to another ward.

Unhinged and abusive people are very much drawn to places where there are vulnerable people. Because we know this, the presence of any potential threat is problematic. Even if they intend no harm. The dignity part is essential - as pointed out by another poster.

If I truly believed the said male in dress was biologically in the wrong body, I wouldn't feel that way, but I know this is not the case btw.

Tallisker · 21/08/2025 10:00

He’s too uncanny valley for me to be able to watch him for long. Too false. He might be a lovely human being but he comes across that he doesn’t value women.

maltravers · 21/08/2025 10:44

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2025 14:22

myplace · 21/08/2025 06:50

I know, scandalous. Imagine being insistent about who cares for elderly women. Imagine having safeguarding standards.

You know that thing about being ‘tHe MosT vUlneRable’? Guess what? It’s not trans people.

This.

SirChenjins · 21/08/2025 15:16

Imagine anyone thinking that a woman could be on the receiving end of care from a male doctor who believes he's biologically female because he's biological and female?! How ridiculous - as if any Dr would think that!!

Waitingfordoggo · 21/08/2025 15:24

@StMarie4me You sound incredibly slow naïve.

Do you ever read the news at all? Why do you think carers of the elderly have to be DRB checked? 🤔

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 21/08/2025 15:27

Ryland is codeword for “thick AF” in our household eg Stop being a Ryland!

DH added the d at the end of the name and it makes us laugh every time.

Rylan really is being a Ryland in this case.

TheAmusedQuail · 21/08/2025 16:32

myplace · Yesterday 16:27
Isn’t he very close to his Nan? He needs a little think about who he wants doing her intimate care, or on her hospital ward.

StMarie4me · Today 04:01
WTAF?! Are you…. Are you suggesting that any carers, female, male, trans, are SEXUALISING ELDERLY CARE???
Wow. That’s a new low on here. Thought I’d seen all the twisted hate I could, on here, but wow.
Sexualising care. Just wow.

I know, right? The depths the anti trans brigade will sink to proselytize their message.

Plasticwaste · 21/08/2025 17:32

Sure, MN. Delete my post where I tell the truth about cross-dressing men. Censorship really endears the cause.

moto748e · 21/08/2025 18:53

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 16:35

I honestly don't think gay men like women much.

Last night I watched a TV series with a familar trope: the female detective, hounded at work and getting nowhere on the case, nevertheless has a male couple besties, who'll always invite her round for tea, cakes, and a hug. In real life, maybe not so much! 😀

Waitingfordoggo · 21/08/2025 19:20

I call him Ryland as well @Whatisthisdamnednonsense- with a very open ‘a’ sound (like RolAnd in Grange Hill) I’m easily amused!

SnowFrogJelly · 22/08/2025 00:30

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 21/08/2025 15:27

Ryland is codeword for “thick AF” in our household eg Stop being a Ryland!

DH added the d at the end of the name and it makes us laugh every time.

Rylan really is being a Ryland in this case.

Hilarious

SnowFrogJelly · 22/08/2025 00:30

Plasticwaste · 21/08/2025 17:32

Sure, MN. Delete my post where I tell the truth about cross-dressing men. Censorship really endears the cause.

Do tell again

SnowFrogJelly · 22/08/2025 00:38

RedToothBrush · 21/08/2025 09:40

You are aware that grannies get raped aren't you?

Just because they are old and crinkly doesn't mean they are safe from sexual abuse.

Unfortunately because they are vulnerable they are a target.

Don't forget some men actively placed 'fuck a pig' and have a mentality of 'any goal is a hole'.

Did you think this type of man suddenly developed morals, standards or respect for women after they reached a certain age?

This is the first result I got from Google on the subject. It says that sexual abuse of the elderly is more common than you think with one of the problems being that victims often can't report the abuse or are not believed. (You are aiding that culture here with your disbelief)
https://www.nursinghomeabusecenter.com/elder-abuse/types/sexual-abuse/

The common offender? A carer.

I could have picked many other articles on the subject. This is just the first I looked at. It's widespread and a known significant issue.

Given that patterns of offending do not change following males transitioning, we absolutely should be worried about ALL male carers of women regardless of the age, disability or mental capacity of that woman (or girl).

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock to you, but it's not MN providing this low. We are just aware of the problem, you don't want to acknowledge and you are actively shooting the messenger on this subject.

Go away and do some research.

Your link is an advert for an American law firm .. suggest you go and do some proper research

AnSolas · 22/08/2025 01:49

TheAmusedQuail · 21/08/2025 16:32

myplace · Yesterday 16:27
Isn’t he very close to his Nan? He needs a little think about who he wants doing her intimate care, or on her hospital ward.

StMarie4me · Today 04:01
WTAF?! Are you…. Are you suggesting that any carers, female, male, trans, are SEXUALISING ELDERLY CARE???
Wow. That’s a new low on here. Thought I’d seen all the twisted hate I could, on here, but wow.
Sexualising care. Just wow.

I know, right? The depths the anti trans brigade will sink to proselytize their message.

So why do you think abusive men would not access easy victims if they are given an opening to access an easy victim?

ThatBlackCat · 22/08/2025 01:53

SnowFrogJelly · 22/08/2025 00:38

Your link is an advert for an American law firm .. suggest you go and do some proper research

So evidence and research on the universal qualities of males is relegated only to the UK?

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2025 04:38

SnowFrogJelly · 22/08/2025 00:38

Your link is an advert for an American law firm .. suggest you go and do some proper research

I said there were hundreds of websites. That was just the first of many.

If it's an American law firm there's clearly lots of legal cases on the subject.

If that's the best response you've got, I would suggest you aren't taking the problem seriously enough and are part of the problem of not believing elderly people.

It's not about proving me right or wrong because I haven't provided a link you approve of. It's about recognising this is something that actually happens.

I am calling sea lion. For the 'prove it' shite.

No, you go away and take a look and see if I'm making it up and prove me wrong.