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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 21:39

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 21:27

As is often the case with inexperienced politicians who've acquired a big following on X, she's made the rookie mistake of getting high on her own hype.

She might have benefited from seeing how that worked out for Rupert Lowe.

To be fair though, she does seem to be doing a load of significant financial machinations and data breaches, rather than just pontificating that TWAW.

Sad times!

Maaate · 18/09/2025 21:48

Speaking of Rupert Lowe...

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread
TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 22:05

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 20:25

I feel a tiny bit sorry for poor old bumbling Corbyn. When he was elected leader of the Labour party he had a huge party machine and expienced politicos around him, such as McDonnell. Now he isn't quite such a magic grandpa, and even Diane Abbot and John McDonnell aren't joining him. So he's bumbling around with four Muslem MPs and Zarah. It's not going to end well.

https://news.sky.com/story/its-embarrassing-your-party-members-speak-out-following-corbyn-and-sultana-clash-13433528

When he was elected leader of the Labour party he had a huge party machine which was almost entirely dedicated to annihilating him. This is a completely different situation and I doubt he'd be comparing the two, but at least he can build something around his own convictions in which people respect him.

I don't know whether it will end well, but it certainly hasn't started well!

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 22:15

TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 22:05

When he was elected leader of the Labour party he had a huge party machine which was almost entirely dedicated to annihilating him. This is a completely different situation and I doubt he'd be comparing the two, but at least he can build something around his own convictions in which people respect him.

I don't know whether it will end well, but it certainly hasn't started well!

but at least he can build something around his own convictions

Yeah, that's not going to happen. He's beginning to realise that he has no friends. Where are they all? All the Corbyn supporters? Even John McDonnell and Diane aren't with him. And Diane Abbott is an independent MP!

TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 22:38

It's not reasonable to expect someone like McDonnell (or Abbott, who is not yet permanently excluded from Labour) to just up and leave the party they've served their entire life, on a wing and a prayer for a nascent party that doesn't even exist yet (and seems to be doing its best to ensure it never does). I very much doubt Jeremy expected them to or thinks he therefore has no "friends". There will clearly be cross-party connections between the socialist campaign group, Your party and the Greens etc.

And anyway, his draw was always much more with the membership than other MPs, and over 700,000 have attempted to join.

SharonEllis · 18/09/2025 22:40

McDonnell & Abbot are much smarter than Magic Grandpa whose main weakness was always his vanity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2025 23:02

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 17:32

She just googled "terms and conditions" and copy pasted what came up?

The British left finally has its own Isla Bumba.

PMSL at all these developments and the comments 😂

vacancye · 18/09/2025 23:46

She's finding out a bit too late that an Islamist party run by the Left's biggest failure probably isn't the best thing to hitch her political ambitions onto. Good on her for calling out the sexism though. Solidarity.

moto748e · 19/09/2025 00:03

I don't see anything good about her. She rejected the option of having a sensible conversation with a moderate Muslim voice, and has consistently took a 'my way, or the highway' attitude. Whilst proclaiming that TWAW, and if you disagree, we don't want you. And even Corbyn can see that that is daft.

ArabellaSaurus · 19/09/2025 07:39

I wonder how the beardy blokefolx feel about Zarah's enthusiastic prostration before the altar of genderqueer?

TruckDiver · 19/09/2025 08:10

vacancye · 18/09/2025 23:46

She's finding out a bit too late that an Islamist party run by the Left's biggest failure probably isn't the best thing to hitch her political ambitions onto. Good on her for calling out the sexism though. Solidarity.

"An Islamist party" - FFS get over yourself and your kneejerk racism. Have you actually read anything the eminently reasonable Adnan Hussein has said?

RainbowBagels · 19/09/2025 08:33

TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 22:05

When he was elected leader of the Labour party he had a huge party machine which was almost entirely dedicated to annihilating him. This is a completely different situation and I doubt he'd be comparing the two, but at least he can build something around his own convictions in which people respect him.

I don't know whether it will end well, but it certainly hasn't started well!

Lol he'll spend all his time dithering and prevaricating while his wife runs around defending him and demanding ' respect' for someone who has achieved precisely nothing in 40 years despite the made up legends all his fans believe!

Lalgarh · 19/09/2025 08:56

Some long threads by Archie Woodrow, who apparently aligned with Revolutionary Socialism 🙄which says Sultana had to launch the membership to prevent herself and faction being locked out. Ex Civil service union boss mark serwotka has also issued a statement

https://nitter.net/SamuraiApology/status/1968669644664832269#m

And regular journalist Charlie Mansell in a mega thread that was updated overnight

https://nitter.net/charliemansell/status/1968750133777948951#m

On the urban 75 threads Sultana actually seems to be coming out of it quite well. And quite a few X users are saying they will keep their subscription rather than cancel ❌ BC they prefer her to the Corbyn faction. Bit of a backlash against him for seemingly grassing on sultana by going to the lawyers

SharonEllis · 19/09/2025 09:04

But she cant unilaterally do that in order to solve an internal politics problem It suggests they have no governance procresses. People definitely should not hand over money to these clowns.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 09:06

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 19:32

Well they look like blokes to me, but I'm a reactionary terf.

I'm surprised that Zarah would assume their gender. Be better, Zarah!

They've all got beards as well.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 09:08

ArabellaSaurus · 19/09/2025 07:39

I wonder how the beardy blokefolx feel about Zarah's enthusiastic prostration before the altar of genderqueer?

A sort of 'patting on the head' patronage, I should think. " Yes, dear, if you insist"

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 09:12

TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 19:54

What, you think their interests actually lie with Farage?

Surely the point is it is not for others to decide where other people's interests lie.
Same with Labour backbenchers suggesting Kemi Badenoch is 'self hating' or a 'coconut'- that she doesn't understand where her interests as a black person are best served.

ArabellaSaurus · 19/09/2025 09:13

Some of those may be lady beards, its impossible to tell.

RoyalCorgi · 19/09/2025 09:16

Is there anything about this that isn't funny? I know the left always splits sooner or later but the fact that they're doing it before they even have a name for their party is hilarious. As is the fact that Sultana is blaming sexism, when she doesn't even believe in the reality or primacy of biological sex.

Lalgarh · 19/09/2025 09:16

There's a link that a shitpost anti Starmer account has posted of two podcasters who are trying to emulate Josh Rogan but from a Islamic point of view dragging her about her LGBTQ stance. Not sure where it originated from. I think it's 5 pillars. Gets quite nasty

https://nitter.net/sirwg202110/status/1966547901447909436#m

YourLemonTiger · 19/09/2025 09:39

RoyalCorgi · 19/09/2025 09:16

Is there anything about this that isn't funny? I know the left always splits sooner or later but the fact that they're doing it before they even have a name for their party is hilarious. As is the fact that Sultana is blaming sexism, when she doesn't even believe in the reality or primacy of biological sex.

I agree, it's very funny and so predictable that something like this would happen. I just didn't expect it so soon.

WRT the party name I do think 'The Sexist Boys Club' has a certain ring to it though.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2025 09:50

RoyalCorgi · 19/09/2025 09:16

Is there anything about this that isn't funny? I know the left always splits sooner or later but the fact that they're doing it before they even have a name for their party is hilarious. As is the fact that Sultana is blaming sexism, when she doesn't even believe in the reality or primacy of biological sex.

That’s kind of the funniest element. She’s such a fool.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1853926328380367128

J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) on X

I didn't.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1853926328380367128

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 09:53

I just find it hard to believe that Sultana is 31. There's something about her that puts me in mind of a teenage girl who's convinced she knows everything and is right about everything, while in reality she knows jack shit.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2025 09:55

Me too. She’s very childish.

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