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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2025 09:57

And then, re that tweet, in response to having her arse handed to her royally, she posted “Do you realise why most of the Harry Potter cast doesn’t speak to you anymore lol”

🤦‍♀️ 🤡

Lalgarh · 19/09/2025 10:04

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 09:46

The left's grooming gang comes out in support of Sultana:
What is going on in Your Party?

Whoo the trots and their infinite memory of positions of deviation

"Shockat Adam says the new party shouldn’t be “anti-wealth” or “alienate landlords” with class politics.

Ayoub Khan called for the army to help break the indefinite strike by the Birmingham bin workers earlier this year.

Adnan Hussain voted against decriminalising abortion and says, “Women’s rights and safe spaces should not be encroached upon”—meaning trans women should be excluded from single-sex spaces. He defends his right wing views by claiming that Muslims are “socially conservative”......

If they were so dreadful then why were you so enthusiastic about them joining lovely Corbyn and risking the vision for inclusive socialist Revolution? And heaven forfend if Sultana decides actually maybe single sex spaces are needed or changed her mind on Zionism

Mass pickets shut down Birmingham bin depots

Birmingham bin strikers won an important victory on Friday morning. Workers and hundreds of supporters from across Britain shut down all three depots.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/mass-pickets-shut-down-birmingham-bin-depots/

WorriedMutha · 19/09/2025 10:07

Surely all the pro Gaza voters can join Jeremy and Zarah can take her acolytes to the Greens. Job done. Fixed it for them.
It is pointless to pretend that socially conservative Muslims can align themselves with TRAs. Irreconcilable differences.
Still you'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. Starmer needs some good news so I wouldn't begrudge him this.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 10:16

RoyalCorgi · 19/09/2025 09:16

Is there anything about this that isn't funny? I know the left always splits sooner or later but the fact that they're doing it before they even have a name for their party is hilarious. As is the fact that Sultana is blaming sexism, when she doesn't even believe in the reality or primacy of biological sex.

When everything goes into purity spiral hyper-drive it starts to come apart pretty quickly.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 10:25

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 09:46

The left's grooming gang comes out in support of Sultana:
What is going on in Your Party?

Mental stuff! The band plays on as the Titanic sinks beneath the waves.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 10:28

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 09:53

I just find it hard to believe that Sultana is 31. There's something about her that puts me in mind of a teenage girl who's convinced she knows everything and is right about everything, while in reality she knows jack shit.

She's a total princess. Probably the oldest child.

I was the oldest child, but I was like that when I was 16, not in my 30's.

Abhannmor · 19/09/2025 10:50

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 20:25

I think at this point the only thing Team Corbzy can say is "Well, it could have been worse. It could have been Nadia Whittome."

Someone once said of the late musical prodigy Brian Wilson ' He looks as if he's not sure what's going on. But whatever it is ; he doesn't like it.'

I think this description applies to Nadia Whittome. But Wilson was a genius whereas......

Abhannmor · 19/09/2025 11:04

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 09:12

Surely the point is it is not for others to decide where other people's interests lie.
Same with Labour backbenchers suggesting Kemi Badenoch is 'self hating' or a 'coconut'- that she doesn't understand where her interests as a black person are best served.

Ok . As a working class person , it is my considered opinion that my interests and those of people like me , would not be best served by a government led by Nigel Farage.

Is one allowed to say that , without accusations of snobbery and condescension?

vacancye · 19/09/2025 11:10

TruckDiver · 19/09/2025 08:10

"An Islamist party" - FFS get over yourself and your kneejerk racism. Have you actually read anything the eminently reasonable Adnan Hussein has said?

Islam isn't a race.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:40

Abhannmor · 19/09/2025 11:04

Ok . As a working class person , it is my considered opinion that my interests and those of people like me , would not be best served by a government led by Nigel Farage.

Is one allowed to say that , without accusations of snobbery and condescension?

That's your personal belief, but there are clearly lots of other working class people who see things differently to you.

Analysing things through the lens of intersectionality and group identity and belonging is losing its effectiveness when trying to analyse contemporary trends.

JamieCannister · 19/09/2025 11:48

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 10:28

She's a total princess. Probably the oldest child.

I was the oldest child, but I was like that when I was 16, not in my 30's.

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I read yesterday that she was in Gaza aged 17 observing some sort of court or something as part of her education... my feeling is that she had her political views set in stone years before her brain fully developed, and is so narrow minded that she refuses to re-visit her opinions or consider alternative perspectives. She is stuck in teen-socialism land.

RainbowBagels · 19/09/2025 11:50

Lalgarh · 19/09/2025 10:04

Whoo the trots and their infinite memory of positions of deviation

"Shockat Adam says the new party shouldn’t be “anti-wealth” or “alienate landlords” with class politics.

Ayoub Khan called for the army to help break the indefinite strike by the Birmingham bin workers earlier this year.

Adnan Hussain voted against decriminalising abortion and says, “Women’s rights and safe spaces should not be encroached upon”—meaning trans women should be excluded from single-sex spaces. He defends his right wing views by claiming that Muslims are “socially conservative”......

If they were so dreadful then why were you so enthusiastic about them joining lovely Corbyn and risking the vision for inclusive socialist Revolution? And heaven forfend if Sultana decides actually maybe single sex spaces are needed or changed her mind on Zionism

Because as usual with the Left, their patronising racism always shines through. Whereas a tiny group of White Christians are an existential threat to the UK- presumably because they are so powerful in their ability to subjugate people to their superior opinions by the power of their handing out leaflets about God- Brown religious people are all just uneducated primitive innocents who just need to be taught about Socialism, then they will enthusiastically embrace secularism and gay rights.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:52

JamieCannister · 19/09/2025 11:48

I read yesterday that she was in Gaza aged 17 observing some sort of court or something as part of her education... my feeling is that she had her political views set in stone years before her brain fully developed, and is so narrow minded that she refuses to re-visit her opinions or consider alternative perspectives. She is stuck in teen-socialism land.

Lots of people are. Their political certainties are set in stone because they provide a sense of identity and emotional security.

JamieCannister · 19/09/2025 11:54

Abhannmor · 19/09/2025 11:04

Ok . As a working class person , it is my considered opinion that my interests and those of people like me , would not be best served by a government led by Nigel Farage.

Is one allowed to say that , without accusations of snobbery and condescension?

As a middle class person with (I believe) a fairly good insight into the working classes compared to many in the middle class... I agree that neither the working or middle classes will benefit from a Reform government. I think that many on the post-Tory right agree, hence why we have Advance and Restore, and Robinson - probably the biggest or second biggest voice on the post-Tory right - is very anti-Farage.

Farage is an appalling grifter and shill for the mega-rich. He'd totally sell the UK out to Trump for a few million in his bank account.

None of this contradicts the fact he is a great speaker and is good at telling people what they want to hear, like any good populist. Populists tell people what they want to hear whilst having no real desire to follow through. In contrast popular politicians tell people what they want to hear and deliver. Farage will never deliver.

JamieCannister · 19/09/2025 11:56

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:52

Lots of people are. Their political certainties are set in stone because they provide a sense of identity and emotional security.

I agree. My views overall are pretty damn similar to where they were when I was 17 or 21 as well, but (unlike how I perceive Sultana) I do try to listen to alternative opinions, and revise and refine my views over time.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 12:19

JamieCannister · 19/09/2025 11:56

I agree. My views overall are pretty damn similar to where they were when I was 17 or 21 as well, but (unlike how I perceive Sultana) I do try to listen to alternative opinions, and revise and refine my views over time.

Mine have changed quite profoundly in that I used to be an idealist along socialist type principles but now see myself as being far more pragmatic and accepting of human nature and the nature of human societies. Far more observational than activist.

Ideology of any stripe is a straitjacket and I am very wary of groups. When people put joining a group or belonging to a community above all else they end up going along with the crowd, and start looking to leaders to tell them what to think and do.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 19/09/2025 12:33

Well she cannot blame genderism as that could be confused for GC views 😂😂

Lalgarh · 19/09/2025 13:48

Via Charlie mansell

"update: "Sultana allies Driscoll, Feinstein and Winter have been 'told to f**k off', leading to stalemate, dysfunction and a whole host of people who really should know better refusing to work with others"."

Meanwhile a lengthy defence of Corbyns action in going to the law BC otherwise he'd be liable for investigation, mentioning some bloke called Crispin and ex labour crank Jackie walker

https://nitter.net/NAJ562/status/1968968556579586108#m

"Had Jeremy stayed silent, regulators could have treated the unauthorised email, portal, and solicitation of membership money as official - exposing him, Peace & Justice Project, and Your Party’s application to serious sanctions".

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 13:56

Crispin Flintoff is a nice guy but not always very quick on the uptake.

The scenario that - not for the first time - Sultana was frustrated by Corbyn's dithering, frustrated by other people having opinions that contradicted hers, and decided to short circuit the process by taking to X and doing something half arsed and possibly unlawful in the assumption she could just bounce everyone else into doing what she wanted...

...is a bit more plausible to me than the "Zarah did all the right things and Jeremy grassed her up to the feds" narrative that the Urban 75ers are congregating around.

Setting up a political party is quite a complicated business. Even registering with the Electoral Commission means you have to jump through divers hurdles. (Viz: Ben Habib's Advance UK. Ben seems to think he can have a tick as his party logo. The EC will not allow that.)

To do this stuff you need experienced people who know what they're doing. Sultana's belief that you can do it all by willpower is misplaced, but seemingly popular among parts of the New Party constituency.

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 16:50

I must admit, this made me LOL

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread
RuttleTuttle · 19/09/2025 17:26

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 16:50

I must admit, this made me LOL

Ha ha. This whole thing is such an utter shitshow, it's hilarious.

When people like Jackie Walker are wading in with their hot takes, you know you're in trouble.

Abhannmor · 19/09/2025 17:29

vacancye · 19/09/2025 11:10

Islam isn't a race.

Neither is Judaism. And yet here we are. Fucked.

Abhannmor · 19/09/2025 17:31

RuttleTuttle · 19/09/2025 17:26

Ha ha. This whole thing is such an utter shitshow, it's hilarious.

When people like Jackie Walker are wading in with their hot takes, you know you're in trouble.

Yes , Jackie Walker is a Jewish socialist. Totes hilair.

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