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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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PronounssheRa · 18/09/2025 18:12

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 17:46

A party to unite the working class with a clause in its terms prohibiting any signees from participating in Class Action. I laughed

It has been said these are just a cut and paste of some American terms of service. So have no basis in law in the UK.

Absolute amateur hour.

I wonder what will happen to the money raised so far, I assume it will all have to be refunded.

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 18:19

Well quite. And if she's found liable, it might count as misuse of computers, data security breaches (all information commissioner actionable), and if they are directing users to a website and portal not sanctioned by the party, well.. it could be termed fraud.

If she's on the hook for that she could face bankruptcy, or criminal charges

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 18:34

Sexist boys club she says? I'm surprised. Is everyone else surprised?

Helleofabore · 18/09/2025 18:41

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 18:34

Sexist boys club she says? I'm surprised. Is everyone else surprised?

Absolutely. Totes surprised.

RedNine · 18/09/2025 18:44

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 18:34

Sexist boys club she says? I'm surprised. Is everyone else surprised?

Honestly so surprised, I would never have guessed. SHOCKED FACE.

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 18:47

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 18:34

Sexist boys club she says? I'm surprised. Is everyone else surprised?

Astonished, I tell you

Maaate · 18/09/2025 19:03

Just identify as a man.

Problem solved 🤷🏼‍♀️

ThatBlackCat · 18/09/2025 19:09

So she loves supporting the patriarchy, just not when it comes to bite her on the bum. It reminds me of the leopards eating faces party.

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 19:15

You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh

teawamutu · 18/09/2025 19:29

To paraphrase Logan Roy: these are not serious people.

They might take themselves seriously, but it's not the same thing.

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 19:32

Well they look like blokes to me, but I'm a reactionary terf.

I'm surprised that Zarah would assume their gender. Be better, Zarah!

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread
ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 19:44

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 19:32

Well they look like blokes to me, but I'm a reactionary terf.

I'm surprised that Zarah would assume their gender. Be better, Zarah!

Absolutely. Who can divine the inner genders of these, or indeed any, beardy blokes. I mean, folx?

Paging Layla!

TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 19:54

snurtifier · 18/09/2025 10:25

Isn't that article by Adnan Hussain just yet another variant on the well-worn theme of the working classes being too thick / poorly educated / easily deceived to recognise where their interests really lie?

What, you think their interests actually lie with Farage?

PronounssheRa · 18/09/2025 20:10

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 19:52

Team Corbzy reports Sultana to the information commissioner

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1968745177742238056?t=rERqtDvnC5zZVqEmvLVwFQ&s=19

Surely if this is a false membership system and monies have been taken, the police should also be involved

singthing · 18/09/2025 20:12

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 15:14

And now Sultana has issued her own statement about being subject to a "Sexist boys club" who excluded her so she Went To The Members as it were.

https://nitter.net/PolitlcsUK/status/1968673984087552343#m

I know the phrase LOL is used a lot online, but I actually did genuinely laugh out loud when I read this. Not at her maltreatment, but at the crushing inevitability of it imploding in some way sooner or later.

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 20:25

I think at this point the only thing Team Corbzy can say is "Well, it could have been worse. It could have been Nadia Whittome."

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 20:25

I feel a tiny bit sorry for poor old bumbling Corbyn. When he was elected leader of the Labour party he had a huge party machine and expienced politicos around him, such as McDonnell. Now he isn't quite such a magic grandpa, and even Diane Abbot and John McDonnell aren't joining him. So he's bumbling around with four Muslem MPs and Zarah. It's not going to end well.

https://news.sky.com/story/its-embarrassing-your-party-members-speak-out-following-corbyn-and-sultana-clash-13433528

'It's embarrassing' - Your Party members speak out following Corbyn and Sultana clash

Several supporters say they could cancel their memberships after 'really messy' split between party founders

https://news.sky.com/story/its-embarrassing-your-party-members-speak-out-following-corbyn-and-sultana-clash-13433528

musicalfrog · 18/09/2025 20:57

Having seen what absolute shite Sultana spouts over on Twitter, seeing this turn of events has made me smile.

teawamutu · 18/09/2025 21:00

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 19:52

Team Corbzy reports Sultana to the information commissioner

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1968745177742238056?t=rERqtDvnC5zZVqEmvLVwFQ&s=19

Oh this is beyond my wildest dreams. Beautiful.

I've despised Magic Grandpa and his entire useless crew of shitweasels since they screwed up so badly they sentenced us to fucking BoJo.

Left Out considerably overstated his competence, it seems.

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 21:09

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 19:52

Team Corbzy reports Sultana to the information commissioner

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1968745177742238056?t=rERqtDvnC5zZVqEmvLVwFQ&s=19

That escalated.

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 21:17

This has cheered me right up, though. Nothing beats a good old fashioned cock-up, driven by stupidity and petulant one upmanship for a thoroughly British farce.

A wee bit of light relief. It's like the Scottish Greens, without the nappy fetishists.

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 21:22

A summary in case you've been out

https://nitter.net/PolitlcsUK/status/1968698836706374079#m

Politics UK

@PolitlcsUK
4h
🚨 SUMMARY: What happened with "Your Party" today:

  • At 11:11, Zarah Sultana posted a link to sign up for "Your Party" membership. The link is on a different domain from what was previously used on other "Your Party" communications
  • The membership fees are £5 a month or £55 a year for regular, or £2.50 a month or £25 annually for concessions
  • This was followed by an email to subscribers at 11:17 - Sultana claims that "Your Party" had reached 20,000 members at 13:30
  • Jeremy Corbyn and four other MPs released a statement at 14:07, urging supporters not to sign up, cancel direct debits if they have, and stating they are seeking legal advice. Zarah Sultana's name was left off the letter
  • Corbyn then also emailed members shortly after with the statement
  • PoliticsHome then reported that a "formal split" in Your Party now seems "inevitable", according to several sources
  • Zarah Sultana hit back at 14:44, branding "Your Party" as a "sexist boys club", and admits she did not have permission from Corbyn to launch paid memberships earlier. She has now asked Corbyn to meet with her

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C. 7pm: Corbyn releases a statement that the data breach has been reported to the information commissioner

fromorbit · 18/09/2025 21:23

Sexist Boys Club!

Assuming people's gender there Zarah. The only one with announced pronouns I think is Corbyn.

As this thread has shown from the start there was always potential for this to horribly wrong, but it has just confirmed the stereotype of the British left as hopeless.

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SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 21:27

As is often the case with inexperienced politicians who've acquired a big following on X, she's made the rookie mistake of getting high on her own hype.

She might have benefited from seeing how that worked out for Rupert Lowe.

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