Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

[fromorbit]

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Zarah posts a photo with two guys in dresses from the Trans Liberation Group who are fighting to push their ideas in YP.

https://nitter.net/zarahsultana/status/1987579011355259016

Interestingly this photo was posted when Corbyn was with the 4 Muslim MPs at a YP event in Birmingham. We see what you did there Zarah. Very subtle.
https://nitter.net/habibi_uk/status/1987637287815983555

Zarah later was with the Democratic Socialists online another faction gathering power before conference.
https://dsyp.org/

Zarah thinks a person's sex is not visible at a glance.

Zarah cosplaying as Nerd Student there

Interestingly this photo was posted when Corbyn was with the 4 Muslim MPs at a YP event in Birmingham. We see what you did there Zarah. Very subtle.

And the Gaza independents really REALLY detest her according to reports. There was still no joint photo of all MPs as of last month. Only of Corbyn and Sultana at that World Transformed gig.

I don't think that's changed. Is Corbyn hopeful that they will be "silent partners" and just provide votes and legitimacy to their communities. I don't think he has any idea what he's getting in to

I think the white Trots have woken up to the fact that the Gaza MPs are not socialists. This is correct. This is why Democratic Socialists are banging on about "no fiefdoms".

Where I think they go wrong is assuming that, for instance, they could shove aside someone like Shockat Adam in Leicester, put up their own candidate in his place, and Muslim voters would be loyal to YP rather than Shockat.

Say what you like about Galloway, but he doesn't make this mistake. He works with the grain of Muslim communities. He doesn't assume that Muslim voters are NPCs.

If Muslim voters are breaking from Labour, they're doing it on their own terms. This is what killed Respect 20 years ago - the SWP's belief that the Muslims would do what John Rees and Lindsey German told them. They didn't then, and I don't see any sign that they're going to do what Max Shanly tells them now.

As far as any of the internal drama can be made out Corbyn and his close crew see working with the Gaza MPs as a bigger priority than with Zarah. Corbyn can be fairly hapless, but we are talking about people around him like Karie Murphy, Jeremy Corbyn's former chief of staff and a prominent political strategist and trade unionist. These are serious political bruisers, very ruthless. The Gaza MPs have built up solid campaigning groups in their areas and they have REAL power not theoretical stuff.

This is why conference will be a huge drama. Various factions will be trying to rig the constitution to give their position support. Zarah has a LOT of online support, but will that translate. Are they are good as organising in real life as the Gaza lot and Corbyn's close allies? Also involved are the SWP, and countless other left groups who all want to steer YP in particular directions.

No-one knows how it will play out.

The only thing that is certain if everyone agrees to turn it into a full on anti-woman party then sooner or later Mumsnet towers will take them out.

Great analysis.

This is why conference will be a huge drama. Various factions will be trying to rig the constitution to give their position support. Zarah has a LOT of online support, but will that translate. Are they are good as organising in real life as the Gaza lot and Corbyn's close allies?

Bear in mind that while there will be in person debates at conference, the decisions yay or nay on each motion will be made by the entire membership by online vote. It's quite possible the voting results will bear no discernible relationship to the preceding debates.

The only thing that is certain if everyone agrees to turn it into a full on anti-woman party then sooner or later Mumsnet towers will take them out.

You seriously think Mumsnet has that much power? Or that more than a handful of MNers would have any time for YP's policy platform even if it's full on GC?

Why haven't they "taken out" the Greens then, or for that matter had any impact at all on their dramatic ascendancy under their bright new TWAW-dedicated leader?

The world out there is just not as interested in this stuff as we would like it to be. And when it is, it's often happy just to go with the flow.

What you don't seem to realise is that this forum is but a meeting place for a vareity of people, most of whom are highly committed, and some of whom have actual and very real influence and expertise.. Partly as a result of this forum a whole web of structures have been created from which to continue the campaign. This takes in legal, political and charitable structures.

Don't under-estimate women. Dismissing MM is routine...just a bunch of middle aged women/Karens etc...but this is but one part of a far bigger and very powerful grassroots movement which has already achieved great, and growing, success.

I guess you missed the impact that was had on the SNP and the career of Nicola Sturgeon, and the increasing pressure on mainstream political voices to address this issue. The Greens under Polanski have a long way to go....and it won't be too long before the bubble bursts. It is all hot air at present.

Also the Supreme Court ruling brought forward by 'For Women Scotland' of course.

I would just add from my own standpoint, if I'm sceptical about YP, my scepticism comes mostly from personally knowing a whole bunch of the people at the top of the project. My opinion of most of them not being particularly high.

I've never met Sultana, but the fact that she's now hanging around with the SWP, and rarely seems to make a public appearance without Lewis Nielsen in tow, does not fill me with confidence about her judgment.

The 'Trans Solidarity Group' have some eyebrow raising demands.

https://transliberationgroup.org.uk/demands/

Basically agree with the other comments. Taking down Sturgeon was a huge win, a Mumsnet is where it started.

If YP go FULL on antiwomen they will implode and Mumsnet will be one of the factors which will be key in pushing it along.

As the link to the Trans Liberation Group shows TAs are crazy, but one reason they are so is pesky women keep saying NO. The more we say things the crazier their response will be.

Also the other factor is currently sexism is illegal in British political parties. That is why the Lib Dems have had to change their rules to reflect women are actually a thing. If YP want to go down the route of saying women don't exist sooner or later they will be sued and they will lose.

Mumsnet will crowdfund that as they have many many other times.

As for the Greens we will get them for the same reasons.

Criticism of conference sortation mechanism. My understanding is Conference will decide elements of the constitution then all members get to vote on adopting it after this process is done. This process is clearly open to manipulation.

The obvious reality is that the leadership chose this system precisely because it has other ways to keep control. At the party’s regional assemblies, small groups have been invited to discuss topics and make suggestions – without any power to collectively deliberate or vote. Individuals can also suggest edits to the constitution online. Given the volume of “suggestions” and the lack of transparent process to record, let alone prioritise and consider them, we can only assume that they are destined for the bin. This is a performance of democracy, while the real decisions are taken elsewhere.

On the conference floor itself, sortition will make the process more, not less, dominated by big names and the top table. Will Jeremy Corbyn, Zarah Sultana and all of their bag-carriers be forced to enter the lottery to attend the conference? Obviously not. Some members will be more equal than others.

With elected delegates (as is the norm in the labour movement) or open attendance for all members (as the Green Party, of which I am a member, does), one can guarantee that the left’s factions and leading activists will be present in some form. With sortition, the Your Party leadership has created the possibility of a conference without many of the people who might organise to defeat it in a vote.

https://prometheusjournal.org/2025/11/04/against-sortition/

What weights will be given to ensure that none of the mentioned groups are not underrepresented? Who has decided the method to be adopted? Who will be doing the weighting? What algorithm is being used?
How will geographical randomness, likely in sortition, to be corrected? By whom, and how?
It means, doesn’t it, that the element of chance, essential to the method of sortition or lottery, is overruled by other, unknown factors?
So, it isn’t really sortition. It is being massaged by those at the centre or, a better way to express it, by those at the top.
A much fairer system would have been to allow the branches to select delegates and take their own knowledge of the candidates into account to ensure fair representation. At the very least, we must know what the groups are, and how they will be weighted. Failure to provide full information means that the whole process gives an impression of being rigged.
Why are we not being told about how the ‘weighting’ system is being used? Those supervising and implementing it must know. Why are the members not being told?
This whole process smacks of control, manipulation, keeping the members in the dark and manoeuvring by the leadership faction to ensure they get their way.

https://talkingaboutsocialism.org/yourparty-conference-a-slap-in-the-face-of-member-led-democracy/

Accusations of internal stitch up. Apparently Your party structures are already being set up.

4) The MP's involved are dividing up the UK like regional fiefdom's to be run for their benefit. Here is what has been said, and I quote: (Not sharing the screengrab to protect my source.)

"The West Midlands structure will be led by Ayoub Khan."

"The East Midlands will be led by Shockat Adam."

"The North will be split with Dewsbury side going to Iqbal and the other side going to Adnan."

"Bradford Independent Group will integrate, they have seven elected councillors."

"Walsall Independent Group will integrate, they have eight elected councillors..."

"The (Walsall?) council leader is independent too and will come over, as well as three Conservatives..."

5) The well known Birmingham personality Shakeel Afsar had a nice reserved seat and position of honour at the event. Have a little google if you dont know who he is. (I'll post the picture up in a follow up.)

https://nitter.net/BTimberley/status/1987978200396476886

The SWP do seem to worm their way in pretty quickly whenever an opportunity or pathway arises.

It is like something that was created during a year six debating session. My granddaughter has been producing similar recently, but on the topic of 'Farm Animals to be kept in School' ( Good or bad idea)

Prometheus Journal have usefully given a platform to lots of the factions so we can see how bonkers they are. Notably the Trans Liberation Group:
Trans Liberation Group | Prometheus

This bit is pretty wild:

Finally, the amending of the Equality Act so that it actually makes clear like sex refers to a person’s lived experience and making gender identity a protected characteristic. But another thing that we want is to amend the Equality Act so ‘gender critical’ beliefs cannot be treated as protected beliefs. We want to make it so that they can’t be treated like that, because it’s ridiculous. It’s like saying being a Nazi is a protected belief. It’s ridiculous.

HH – I guess with the Equality Act, the protected beliefs for transphobia becomes a major problem when you look at the class politics in Britain. You have an upper class movement of transphobes that use their resources through strategic litigation, right, in the same way Zionists do as well.

J – There’s a lot of overlap between Zionists and transphobes, and absolutely there is this intentional use of litigation.

That is ridiculous. I repeat, ridiculous......😉

Big tug of war over the cash being reported by Sky news.

Meanwhile in Tower Hamlets, the Aspire grouping around Lutfur Rahman that were founder movers in YP, it seems are simultaneously running for the Bangladesh National Party *

https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/9d5230af9c33

So 30 years after they kicked out Derek Beacon, the BNP are back in east London, just not in the way people expected

• The Bangladesh National Party are led by the widow of the army general who led the coup that assassinated the father of the most recently deposed leader Sheikh Hasina, as well as all her family bar her sister, who was the mother of UK MP Tulip Sidiq

Their logo on that leaflet looks like a cocknballs 😂

Thank you OP @fromorbit for setting up a successor thread.

over here---->

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

See you on the other side for more batshittery.