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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 09:09

https://archive.ph/qPSfL

Corbyn intent on proving he's not a dirty old man running a sexist boy's club by making a cameo in:

'a wickedly naughty night out with this 18+ version of Wicked Witches, an outrageous drag-cabaret mash-up of Wicked and The Wizard of Oz!'

'Expect festive filth'

😶

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread
SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 09:14

I did not have "Jeremy Corbyn doing a panto turn as a sort of camp Jim Davidson" on my 2025 bingo card.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2025 09:17

🤣

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 09:19

He's the Wizard. I'm not even joking.

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 11:05

Crikey. Conference next month - will it just be a sort of giant free for all and the last they/them standing declared overall king/queen of the party?

Lalgarh · 02/11/2025 10:34

956 posts. Is there a new thread somewhere.

The saga of the funds is continuing. Sultana is now solely in charge of funds and questions are being asked about how long she'll hold on to it. Though she's now invited Corbyn to be a co holder.

https://nitter.net/charliemansell/status/1984693238322589996#m

She's also done an interview for political thinking with Nick Robinson insisting Your Party intend to govern.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/31/zarah-sultana-sets-sights-on-replacing-labour-your-party-jeremy-corbyn

Conference is in 28 days

Zarah Sultana sets sights on replacing Labour and gaining power

MP who left Labour in July to form leftwing grouping with Jeremy Corbyn, says party is not just one of protest

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/31/zarah-sultana-sets-sights-on-replacing-labour-your-party-jeremy-corbyn

fromorbit · 08/11/2025 10:09

By popular demand a second thread appears;
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2

We are going to need it as more drama is coming:

Revolutionary Communist Group denounce Corbyn to his face for his pro-Israel positions at YP rally.

https://revolutionarycommunist.org/britain/labour-trade-unions/your-party-corbyn-cult-in-meltdown-at-islington-meeting/

Jeremy Corbyn reveals the number of people who have joined Your Party -50,000
Insiders fear that factional infighting has spurred members into joining the rival Green Party, led by Zack Polanksi.
Your Party membership stands at 50,000, Sky News can reveal.

The figure is well short of the 800,000 people who expressed interest when it launched, and it is significantly below the 100,000 to 200,000 insiders hoped would join officially as members following its launch in July.
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-reveals-the-number-of-people-who-have-joined-your-party-13463413

The party with no name now has a BOOK about it. Wonder if it mentions Mumsnet's commentary.

Your Party and the Perils of Left Populism

Review of Your Party: The Return of the Left, edited by Oliver Eagleton (Verso Books, 2025).
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/corbyn-sultana-labour-green-populism

Your Party: Corbyn cult in meltdown at Islington meeting – Revolutionary Communist Group

On 3 November, RCG supporters attended a Your Party (YP) rally in Islington, where Jeremy Corbyn was a panellist. In response to a young RCG comrade’s ...

https://revolutionarycommunist.org/britain/labour-trade-unions/your-party-corbyn-cult-in-meltdown-at-islington-meeting/

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Lalgarh · 08/11/2025 10:29

Thanks!

The Charlie mansell threads on twitter are absolute GOLD 🪙 on the petty feuding and rival policy papers that are now being submitted by assorted factions

Lalgarh · 08/11/2025 10:46

In other news, the Communist Party of Britain are changing their logo back to the Hammer and Sickle.

https://nitter.net/CPBritain/status/1986198805264420938#m

It had been the hammer 🔨 and Dove 🕊️.

Although the Revolutionary Communist Party use the classic Hammer Sickle Combo as Thier logo, so I'm not sure if the next step is a tussle over copyright ©️

JazzyJelly · 08/11/2025 14:59

I wonder what the symbol of today's working class would be? The hi-vis jacket and the alarm clock?

Lalgarh · 08/11/2025 15:04

A laptop or Uber eats bike

Chersfrozenface · 08/11/2025 15:40

Speaking of donkey jackets...

I was at a heritage railway in one of the former secondary coalfields recently. I saw two teenage lads, in a group of three, wearing (rather oversized on them) donkey jackets with the letters NCB on the back.

Carla786 · 08/11/2025 19:53

SionnachRuadh · 24/10/2025 12:50

At one time - this is the amateur historian in me - I got very interested in the Jeremy Thorpe story, and I can't help thinking there have been few odder beasts in UK politics than the Liberal Party in the 1970s. There are group photos of Liberal MPs from the period that in retrospect look like a police lineup. Yet Thorpe came within a whisker of being Deputy PM.

I get a similar vibe from the SGP. Except with Thorpe the problem was never really ideological madness, it was just the personal peccadiloes of the MPs.

A police lineup? You mean they later committed crimes?

Carla786 · 08/11/2025 19:53

Frankly ever party looks like a police lineup these days

Carla786 · 08/11/2025 19:54

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 09:09

https://archive.ph/qPSfL

Corbyn intent on proving he's not a dirty old man running a sexist boy's club by making a cameo in:

'a wickedly naughty night out with this 18+ version of Wicked Witches, an outrageous drag-cabaret mash-up of Wicked and The Wizard of Oz!'

'Expect festive filth'

😶

Beyond satire 🤣

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 20:22

Carla786 · 08/11/2025 19:54

Beyond satire 🤣

Comment on their Insta:

'I say this as someone who genuinely liked Jeremy and thinks he's a good man with good ideas but is it a great idea for an MP to play a guy who promises he is all powerful but is revealed to be something of a fraud or conman when the curtain is pulled back? Just from a PR perspective this feels like he should have taken another role and left this character to Farage.'

😁

fromorbit · 09/11/2025 11:19

fromorbit · 08/11/2025 10:09

By popular demand a second thread appears;
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2

We are going to need it as more drama is coming:

Revolutionary Communist Group denounce Corbyn to his face for his pro-Israel positions at YP rally.

https://revolutionarycommunist.org/britain/labour-trade-unions/your-party-corbyn-cult-in-meltdown-at-islington-meeting/

Jeremy Corbyn reveals the number of people who have joined Your Party -50,000
Insiders fear that factional infighting has spurred members into joining the rival Green Party, led by Zack Polanksi.
Your Party membership stands at 50,000, Sky News can reveal.

The figure is well short of the 800,000 people who expressed interest when it launched, and it is significantly below the 100,000 to 200,000 insiders hoped would join officially as members following its launch in July.
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-reveals-the-number-of-people-who-have-joined-your-party-13463413

The party with no name now has a BOOK about it. Wonder if it mentions Mumsnet's commentary.

Your Party and the Perils of Left Populism

Review of Your Party: The Return of the Left, edited by Oliver Eagleton (Verso Books, 2025).
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/corbyn-sultana-labour-green-populism

Fall out from the Islington drama continues. Article with another perspective very pro-Sultana - but also underlines how crazy part of the UK left is:;

How Corbyn lost the room
A moment of dissent at a Your Party rally shows how the former Labour leader is being outflanked by both Zack Polanski’s Greens and his own colleague Zarah Sultana
https://archive.is/sL42U#
Instead of wavering, Polanski calmly insists that women can have a penis and that he is an anti-Zionist Jew. It is what some of those who feel themselves most marginalised on the left want to hear.
While Corbyn and Sultana scramble to find common ground between their opposing vision for their party, the Greens are out in the streets, loud, imperfect, growing. They have captured not just Corbyn’s former supporters but his old story, that politics can still belong to ordinary people if it feels like theirs.

If you think supporting men in dresses is a bigger issue than the economy you are going to lose and you deserve to.

Important article - depending what happens at conference there could be a leadership contest - which will probably involve Sultana vs either Corbyn or someone from his faction. Things are going to get wild.

Is Your Party having a leadership election?
Under Your Party’s draft guidance, there will be a leadership election in the new year
If the draft guidance as it stands is passed by members at the end of this month, Your Party will be in for a leadership election kicking off in the new year (the winner will be announced in March). Could left-wing politics be in for the battle of the century?
https://archive.is/oqmCz#s

Another dissection of what is going wrong.

Your Party has failed the left
If Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana fumble this opportunity, we cannot forgive them

https://archive.is/wh1o0

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Lalgarh · 09/11/2025 11:33

Review of Your Party: The Return of the Left, edited by Oliver Eagleton (Verso Books, 2025).

I'm assuming he couldn't possibly be a relative of Terry Eagleton

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 14:36

Terry Eagleton is a much funnier and more engaging writer.

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 14:40

Carla786 · 08/11/2025 19:53

A police lineup? You mean they later committed crimes?

There's a very funny bit in the excellent Hugh Grant drama where Thorpe has been forced to resign as leader and he comments philosophically that there's lots of fresh blood in the party, sterling chaps like Clement Freud and Cyril Smith.

That's one of quite a few points where Russell T Davies (yes, him) resorts to dramatic license. Thorpe and Smith couldn't stand each other. But it boggles the mind that, during the Thorpe scandal, Cyril Smith was Liberal chief whip and thus the guardian of party morality.

Carla786 · 10/11/2025 03:09

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 14:40

There's a very funny bit in the excellent Hugh Grant drama where Thorpe has been forced to resign as leader and he comments philosophically that there's lots of fresh blood in the party, sterling chaps like Clement Freud and Cyril Smith.

That's one of quite a few points where Russell T Davies (yes, him) resorts to dramatic license. Thorpe and Smith couldn't stand each other. But it boggles the mind that, during the Thorpe scandal, Cyril Smith was Liberal chief whip and thus the guardian of party morality.

That was a clever choice from Davies. Grim that the party was in such a state. And frankly both of then still seem very low morally ..

SionnachRuadh · 10/11/2025 10:14

Liberals in the 1970s were a pretty rum lot. Some would say they still are.

I have some sneaking regard for Thorpe. Everyone knew he was a rogue, and that was part of his charm, though (allegedly) hiring a hitman to bump off your blackmailing gay lover was a bit too roguish even for the Liberals.

So, even though he was acquitted, they treated him as a pariah for the rest of his long life, and then when he died all his successors as leader, and all the party grandees, turned up to his funeral to pay tribute to him, and I can't think of a better example of Liberal Democrat humbug.

Cyril Smith, though, is a much nastier business. This monster ran, rather than represented, Rochdale for decades, and the party shielded him until his death. It kind of foreshadows other things that have happened in Rochdale, a place that Westminster doesn't care about.

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