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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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Abhannmor · 18/09/2025 10:30

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 09:46

I've given up hope for the British left long ago, but if you could get Adnan Hussain, Rosie Duffield and Ash Regan in a party together, I might have to reconsider.

Kenan Malik is another impressive leftie. Ex Revolutionary Communist Party . There's a few of them around but most seem to be a bit eccentric or far right lately.
He wrote a great piece on how culture wars always benefit the right. Which I now can't find alas. His namesake Nesrine is GC as well and has been given a bit of leeway on the Grauniad. Interesting that Laura Pidcock is a gender realistic. She used to be close to Jezza. Is the great helmsman a secret terf I wonder?

moto748e · 18/09/2025 10:33

I'm assuming that 'shame he's a Muslim' meant 'this, coming from a non-Muslim, would have a bigger reach'. To put the most charitable explanation on it. But even so, hardly the best phrasing...

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 10:36

Abhannmor · 18/09/2025 10:30

Kenan Malik is another impressive leftie. Ex Revolutionary Communist Party . There's a few of them around but most seem to be a bit eccentric or far right lately.
He wrote a great piece on how culture wars always benefit the right. Which I now can't find alas. His namesake Nesrine is GC as well and has been given a bit of leeway on the Grauniad. Interesting that Laura Pidcock is a gender realistic. She used to be close to Jezza. Is the great helmsman a secret terf I wonder?

Jezza isn't, but Laura Pidcock is someone I watch. She has solid relationships with Karie Murphy and Lindsey German.

I know a few of the former RCP gang, and I still have a bit of affection for Uncle Frank. It helps that, when I meet them, they're not trying to recruit me nor are they screaming that I'm a fascist. Being able to just have a conversation with someone is underrated.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2025 11:44

snurtifier · 18/09/2025 10:25

Isn't that article by Adnan Hussain just yet another variant on the well-worn theme of the working classes being too thick / poorly educated / easily deceived to recognise where their interests really lie?

It’s less patronising and high handed than many leftists manage to be. He’s either a thoughtful man, an extremely canny political operator with ambition, or both. Either way, I’m impressed by him.

JamieCannister · 18/09/2025 12:17

I have just replied to their email to me (I signed up a few months back) basically saying "I thought I could join for free and help shape policies. I am not handing over money to yourparty until I can be certain that you are not going to be a TQ+ / TRA homophobic and misogynistic hate group."

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 12:26

There's a claim that membership is open and is £5 a month.

Collective (some sort of hanger on comrades helpers) are still sending out emails

https://nitter.net/wearecollectiv_/status/1968232286266048623#m

"Please don’t worry if you haven’t had the recent Your Party email yet - they’re still being sent in batches. 👉

The email is about the Founding Conference process (screenshot in the post below). If yours hasn’t arrived by later this week, please sign up again via this link so you don’t miss future comms. 👉 yourparty.uk/ Your Party is dealing with unprecedented numbers and scaling up systems fast. Remember: even the old Labour Party, with far fewer members, used to send comms in delayed batches.".

Your Party

We're building a new kind of political party - one that belongs to you. Sign up here...

https://www.yourparty.uk/

Abhannmor · 18/09/2025 13:43

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 10:36

Jezza isn't, but Laura Pidcock is someone I watch. She has solid relationships with Karie Murphy and Lindsey German.

I know a few of the former RCP gang, and I still have a bit of affection for Uncle Frank. It helps that, when I meet them, they're not trying to recruit me nor are they screaming that I'm a fascist. Being able to just have a conversation with someone is underrated.

Well yes in fairness that is very refreshing these days. When I knew the RCP they spent a lot of time and energy attacking everyone else as well outs , revisionists , stooges and all the rest of it. You have to admire the chutzpah when they flipped into free market worship and set up LM and Spiked. Sort of. You get a great education in a small left group ....in arguing a point. I'm glad Furedi is still sane. Only ever met him once . He did seem more 'chill' than some of the other boys and girls come to think of it .

Abhannmor · 18/09/2025 13:45

sell outs ugh

ItsCoolForCats · 18/09/2025 14:23

So is Adnan Hussain essentially Blue Labour then?

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 14:28

Uh oh.

Looks like Team Sultana actually did steal a march on the Corbyn faction to launch membership

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1968664680286593035?t=lT4lpSn5td4t-B4xCL9eUw&s=19

"Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed that the YourParty membership sign up link posted this morning by Zarah Sultana was unauthorised. Over 20,000 people had already signed up, with the standard rate being £55 per annum. These are set to be cancelled..."

Hello GDPR minefield

Election Maps UK (@ElectionMapsUK) on X

🚨 | Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed that the YourParty membership sign up link posted this morning by Zarah Sultana was unauthorised. Over 20,000 people had already signed up, with the standard rate being £55 per annum. These are set to be cancelled.

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1968664680286593035?s=19&t=lT4lpSn5td4t-B4xCL9eUw

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 15:14

And now Sultana has issued her own statement about being subject to a "Sexist boys club" who excluded her so she Went To The Members as it were.

https://nitter.net/PolitlcsUK/status/1968673984087552343#m

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 15:19

I know Corbyn is the world's greatest ditherer, but I'm wondering if the comrades are starting to get more annoyed by Sultana taking to X to try to bounce everyone else into doing what she wants.

moto748e · 18/09/2025 15:29

Surely that is exactly it. In Corbyn's shoes, I'd be pretty unimpressed too. Pretty ironic that someone who's thrown their lot in with the genderists now complains about being the victim of a 'men's club'.

Signalbox · 18/09/2025 15:48

Lol 😂 what a farce.

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread
JamieCannister · 18/09/2025 15:50

I am not expert and I obviously don't know the details of what happened, but my gut feel is that what Sultana has done has the potential to be a criminal offence worthy of prison on the basis of fraud or GDPR breaches.

Beowulfa · 18/09/2025 15:52

JFC, this is basic stuff to be getting wrong.

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 16:46

Say what you like about Karie Murphy, and she's not universally popular even in Corbyn world, but she's an experienced union official who would know how to be GDPR compliant.

Sultana is already building up a track record of getting impatient with the slow pace of Corbyn's work, having a bright idea of her own, then rushing out and doing it half arsed without asking anyone more experienced first.

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 17:30

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/your-party-chaos-sultana-accused-unilaterally-launching

"PoliticsHome understands that Sultana objects to the conference arrangements committee not being gender-balanced and claims the other MPs in the Independent Alliance group have refused to correct this. She did not want other communications to go out before the make-up of the committee was changed.

The data connected to donations is controlled by MoU Operations, a company set up in April. Its directors are former North of Tyne mayor Jamie Driscoll; Andrew Feinstein, who stood against Keir Starmer in his constituency last year as an Independent; and former Labour MP Beth Winter.
After PoliticsHome's reporting, Sultana made these accusations public in a post on X, which also said she had been "sidelined by the MPs named in today's statement and effectively frozen out of the official accounts"."

Looks like the terms and conditions were also copy pasted from a generic American contract spiel

https://x.com/meIisactu/status/1968668873231589418?t=fWaE5GOSyr5Gb8VEMiWh8Q&s=19

Great news if you signed up in California

This is the one via the official (?) Your party portal

https://www.yourparty-membership.uk/terms

This more importantly is the privacy statement

https://www.yourparty-membership.uk/privacy

MeIisa Tourt (@meIisactu) on X

as well as going rogue it seems that Sultana just copy pasted some American terms of service for the party membership, presumably most of this has no actual standing here

https://x.com/meIisactu/status/1968668873231589418?s=19&t=fWaE5GOSyr5Gb8VEMiWh8Q

SionnachRuadh · 18/09/2025 17:32

She just googled "terms and conditions" and copy pasted what came up?

The British left finally has its own Isla Bumba.

Lalgarh · 18/09/2025 17:46

A party to unite the working class with a clause in its terms prohibiting any signees from participating in Class Action. I laughed

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread
RainbowBagels · 18/09/2025 17:51

Blimey its all kicked off! I mean she's right that all the signatories are men, and it looks like she's been sidelined in favour of all the male Muslim independent MP's! I mean she hasn't really been paying attention if she thinks they British Left or Islam are bastions of sexual equality! And how ironic that she's chosen trans rights as her hill to die on. What if the ' gender equal' board was made up of men and transwomen?

Uncertaintyisreal · 18/09/2025 17:52

These two both have notorious reputations for being difficult to work with. Why did they or anyone else imagine they would be able to work with each other?

Helleofabore · 18/09/2025 18:00

so, it is not ‘[my] party’, it is Zarah’s party….

This is a sign of the future of this party I feel. It is a shame though

aintgonnarain · 18/09/2025 18:08

RainbowBagels · 18/09/2025 17:51

Blimey its all kicked off! I mean she's right that all the signatories are men, and it looks like she's been sidelined in favour of all the male Muslim independent MP's! I mean she hasn't really been paying attention if she thinks they British Left or Islam are bastions of sexual equality! And how ironic that she's chosen trans rights as her hill to die on. What if the ' gender equal' board was made up of men and transwomen?

I'm glad she's been sidelined, sick to death of her TWAW stance which all the men involved can see through.

She's a stupid girl.

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