This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

[CurlewKate]

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

And she deleted it when she realised she was wrong, yes?

But by all means, let's burn this witch. Every woman getting challenged in the toilet clearly comes back to this specific action.

I mean, jeez. 🫠

What is your message to the men who infiltrated women's spaces that didn't belong to them, continue to do so, thus creating a climate where women can't be sure if their spaces are single sex or not?

Or are you blaming these men's actions on JKR too?

Deleted it days later. After the damage was done. And didn't bother posting an apology or correction. Just quietly deleted it.

I'm not saying she should be burnt FFS. Just that all of these "we're just protecting women" speeches aren't about protecting women. They don't want to protect women who may not agree with them. They don't want to protect women who don't tick their boxes.

And? Is there a time frame after which deletions don't count or something? We don't know when she realised her mistake.

And you haven't addressed this?

What is your message to the men who infiltrated women's spaces that didn't belong to them, continue to do so, thus creating a climate where women can't be sure if their spaces are single sex or not?

I’m watching this thread with interest as I haven’t found anything really to justify the hate (and death threats) aimed at her, and I’m genuinely, honestly interested to hear what it is she’s done that is so heinous.

However, @CurlewKate, I suspect we’ll be waiting a long time to hear anything solid and real, just like I’m still waiting for the Leave voters to tell me how their lives have improved thanks to Brexit…..

Well...
You know what hapoened to the Messiah?

He got told off by his mum cos he was a very naughty boy?

I still call bollocks. No woman will ever have been thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn’t prove she was a woman.

Today I Learned that…

saying

• men are men, even if they don’t want to be
• women exist & have rights

is exactly analogous to [checks notes] ‘murdering someone’.

(Which is something a SURPRISING number of trans identified men have in fact done, though JKRowling has afaik not)

‘One of the most victimised groups in society’ - who would that be, then? Certainly not men, not even those wearing womanface.

I thought you wanted to listen and hear an alternative view but is clear you were setting everyone up for failure.

Does NOBODY trying to catch JKR out actually read what they write?

You are welcome to not believe me.

They believed the women who claimed she was not born a woman. There is ZERO way to prove otherwise. She stood up for herself, but the security staff sided with the other women (who, apparently, were being very disruptive about it all). There is literally zero way, on a night out, she could prove she was female and always had been. How would you suggest someone prove it? Show her c-section scar?

If you have a very large following, and you post (either yourself or a retweet) something that could be very damaging to someone's life, you should always post that your information was incorrect. Leaving it up for days (when the correct information was posted within an hour of the original tweet which she could have easily spent a few minutes checking before retweeting) and then not posting a retraction was was dangerous. She was putting school age teenagers at very clear risk of bullying.

My opinion is that while this country focuses on "trans women are evil" (along with "brown people are evil") the people we are most at risk from - men we probably already know, and vastly more likely to be in / have been in a relationship with - have the feeling they can now get away with it as no one is looking. We are at danger from predatory and dangerous men. Some of those men will use what ever means necessary to get access to women. If trans women were the real threat, the rates of attacks happening in female spaces would be rising. But they aren't. Do you ban plumbers, or cleaners from female spaces because men have pretended to be both in order to access women in the past? When it comes to toilets, I would ENORMOUSLY individual cubicles with a sink in - there are numerous reasons this is a much better option for everyone.

What if the “trans woman” is a man we already know, or eg are married to?

Why are you taking every opportunity you can to get predatory men off the hook while trying to make JKR responsible for things she has nothing to do with for retweeting tweets?

The misogyny of your position is completely outrageous.

This whole situation has been created by predatory, entitled men who think they should have access to women's spaces. It will not end until society unites to tell them, firmly, no. People like you are part of the problem and you are exacerbating the situation for women until you point the finger firmly where the blame is deserved.

Plumbers and cleaners are a ridiculous comparison because their presence should always be signalled to women (via signage) so that they can enter (or not) fully consenting to men being present.

If we turn a blind eye to 'transwomen' (men) entering women's spaces, then we are disregarding the importance of their consent. If spaces are labelled single sex, women have the right for that to be upheld

Have we encountered any posters who are worried about women’s in-the-moment capacity to prove they’re female when they are, in fact, female and welcome the SC ruling? Or, has this point only been raised to highlight ‘and another thing’ to object to.

It reminds me of the ‘intersex’ argument. If people don’t know which sex they are, the problems arising for them are sex not gender identity related. Also, 99.9+% of people have XX or XY chromosomes and for 99.8% of the population this is correctly assumed through observing their external sex characteristics at birth. This simply isn’t an issue.

If all males followed the SC ruling and did not use female provision, regardless of their gender identity and preference to use female provision, everyone would be more relaxed about the appearance of the women using them. If transwomen got behind the ruling and, en masse, condemned transwomen using female provision, stating it was unfair on women and gave transwomen a bad name - this would probably be the most powerful thing they could do to support gender non conforming women who are concerned about being challenged.

For posters who are concerned about their butch friends being challenged, you too can speak up and out against transwomen using female provision - as if/when they stop, watch the alleged issue for butch women disappear!

For posters who are concerned about their butch friends being challenged, you too can speak up and out against transwomen using female provision - as if/when they stop, watch the alleged issue for butch women disappear!

This, exactly

I don't think JK is awful as such. I actually agree with some of what she says. What I do think is awful is her intent. She voices her opinion in such a way as to hurt and humiliate people. I believe her opinions are self serving and are publicised to keep her relevant. I find her opinions irrelevant.

can you give some specific examples, using her actual words and with quotes?
I’ll wait.

She voices her opinion in such a way as to hurt and humiliate people.

Can you give us any examples of this please?

I think her best selling books and the new Harry Potter stuff are probably sufficient to keep her relevant.

i hadn't realised this thread was so old. Anyway, since i regularly check that my "like" hasn't yet again vanished from her first awful tweet (it had, i have to keep replacing it) i thought i'd have a look at her TwiX feed.

Pinned (from 11 Sep 2025)
"If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal. If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist. If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian. If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist."

RT of Hadley Freeman 8th Dec 25 - It has been made abundantly clear to women, over and over, that the trans movement is entirely predicated on prioritising men’s feelings over women’s physical safety

RT Masih Alinejad - 7th Dec 25 - An Iranian athlete is about to be killed. Yes, killed. Mohammad-Javad Vafaee-Sani has been moved to solitary. He was arrested during the 2019 uprising and accused of burning government buildings, charges he has repeatedly denied. His only “crime” was standing with his people, demanding dignity and freedom. We have seen this story before. We saw it with #NavidAfkari. So here’s the question for the global sports community: Are you going to watch another athlete die in silence? Athletes, Olympians, fighters, runners, this is your moment. Post his name. Share his story. Pressure your federations. Stand up.

RT WDI.Afghanisten - 6th Dec 25 - Afghan women are being completely erased from the society and they are ignored by UN!

QT John McDonnel (his post reads: "This is truly shocking. How is this to be enforced? Is the Labour Party bureaucracy seriously suggesting that checks will be made on entrances to the conference hall on whether a person is trans? Are we going to see trans women being dragged from the hall?" and refs a Grauniad article)

Man assumes his fellow men won’t take ‘no’ for an answer, will break the law, will transgress women’s boundaries unless physical force is used against them, and wants to make it clear that he’s entirely on the men’s side.

JKR - 6th Dec 2025 - "Why do so many girls in Blackpool want to become boys?"
My friend Julie Bindel on the connection between sexual trauma and the wish to escape a female body. (with link to Bindel's Substack)

QT Brandi Kruse (their post reads: "WOW WOW WOW WOW. One becomes two. Two become MANY! Bravery is contagious! The girls of Washington state have had enough. Look at this showing in Wenatchee tonight. Sign the @letsgowa initiatives and show these girls that sane adults have their back")
Bless these girls for their courage and shame on every cowardly adult and every faux feminist who told them they should give up their own rights to pander to boys' feelings.

JKR - 5th Dec 2025 - Every useful idiot who's used their platform to glamorise and normalise child transition, especially those with a young fanbase, should be made to read this horrifying article. 'One of the biggest revelations from the recordings is how these clinicians acknowledge performing unproven, seemingly experimental treatments—only it appears there is often no protocol being followed, no formal research being conducted, and no ethics-board approval being sought... '[One clinician] said that she sometimes felt like saying that both she and other WPATH clinicians were making it up as they went along: “Because I feel like we’re all just winging it, you know? And which is okay, you’re winging it too. But maybe we can just, like, wing it together.”' (link to article in The Free Press)

JKR - 5th Dec 25 - It's been a long haul, but we got there. The board of Scotland's National Library apologises for how the Library treated The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht (the book title should have been a clue (share token for Times article)

RT Jahanzeb Wisa - 5th Dec 25 - (their post reads: "#Urgent: I have received very alarming reports from Pakistan. A well-known women’s rights protestor, along with several other women, has been detained by police. Their situation is extremely serious. Without immediate support, they may face life-threatening consequences. This is a critical moment and urgent attention is needed. She urgently needs protection, if deported, she will face severe danger. Just two weeks ago, she also received death threats.")

RT nyara - 3rd Dec 25 - (their post reads "Serious question.. who does this help? Literally excluding young girls from activities just because they're trans. This is only contributing to the mental health issues that trans people " with a screen shot of a Pink News post)
Answer: it helps girls. It tells girls they have the right to things of their own. It tells girls they have the right to say 'no'. It reminds girls that the desires of boys do not supersede their feelings, their rights, their discomfort or their safety.

So let's have the definitions of Transphobia, Vile and Hate so that these messages fit the bill.

That is really clutching at straws.

But you carry on shouting that the real threat is trans women. Because the predatory men are loving having the spotlight so far away from them.

i know - i was in the Army, it's a stereotype for a reason - lots of butch lesbians. And they never used to get challenged in toilets. One has recently got in touch to repair our relationship because she instantly went full on TRA and cut me off, only to realise that she was only being challenged a lot these days because of the actions of TRAs. The penny dropped. And she regrets those 7 or 8 years we have missed of friendship.

To get back to the point of the thread. We really really really need to define terms sooner rather than later so we can have proper discussion about the way forward.

The problem is this scenario is feasible in the minds of TA more than anyones actual experience.

I think a women who wants to appear male can in certain situations, far more convincingly than a man can appear female. But she has to work at it, and having a long argument would expose most of these women as women.

So the idea that a women not wanting to appear male could appear male in the same circumstances seems unlikely. Lots of the examples ive heard of are women being briefly mistaken for men, but that being cleared up after a short conversation.

What TA want to suggest that theyve created a 'look' where men could be women, and lots of women could be mistaken for these men. Like a venn diagram where men and women overlap and an 'unsure' category is made. But thats always in photographs, not real life. And never after a long argument. And never when the person isnt making steps to be the opposite sex.

I just dont believe the example could happen exactly as you told it often, if at all. But its a tactic men have been imaging they can use.

The threat is men. Whether they have short hair and a beard and carry a tool box downing pints, or put on a dress, grow their hair long, wear make up and high heels. This ‘othering’ is so stupid. ‘It’s not trans women it’s cis men’ is the biggest thought terminating phrase ever.

It’s men.