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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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TheKeatingFive · 19/08/2025 20:10

McSilkson · 19/08/2025 19:57

I broadly agree with JKR on trans issues, admire her incredible rags to riches story, and love Harry Potter wholeheartedly.

However, I think she has allowed "Twitter" to poison her significantly. That place tends to do that to people, and I think public figures would do best to avoid it. I can understand why she would be angry about the abuse she's received, but her posting has become increasingly obsessive, petty and/or spiteful, and it's just really not a good look. I find it quite embarrassing, to be honest. The gloating cigar photo was cringeworthy and (ironically?) lived down to her enemies' portrait of her. I wish she would get off Twitter ASAP, and stick to publishing well-reasoned and thoughtful essays via her website, as she started out on this issue. I think she really needs to take a step back at this point.

increasingly obsessive, petty and/or spiteful

Can you give some examples of this?

Katasaurus · 19/08/2025 20:30

McSilkson · 19/08/2025 19:57

I broadly agree with JKR on trans issues, admire her incredible rags to riches story, and love Harry Potter wholeheartedly.

However, I think she has allowed "Twitter" to poison her significantly. That place tends to do that to people, and I think public figures would do best to avoid it. I can understand why she would be angry about the abuse she's received, but her posting has become increasingly obsessive, petty and/or spiteful, and it's just really not a good look. I find it quite embarrassing, to be honest. The gloating cigar photo was cringeworthy and (ironically?) lived down to her enemies' portrait of her. I wish she would get off Twitter ASAP, and stick to publishing well-reasoned and thoughtful essays via her website, as she started out on this issue. I think she really needs to take a step back at this point.

But it's not just on Twitter, is it? She is constantly defamed and denigrated all over social media, not to mention the real-life death threats and the extraordinary and unashamed hatred posted on placards at 'trans rights' rallies. People who have never read a word of her well-reasoned and thoughtful essay on transgender stuff are consumed with hatred for her. Never has someone been so vilified for publicly expressing the view that people should be free to live their best lives but shouldn't encroach on the rights of women.
At least on Twitter there are many who aren't afraid to express their love and support for her and maybe that's why she stays there, bringing strength and joy to so many of us who've endured the same vilification for the same reason - just on a smaller scale. What seems obsessive, petty, or spiteful to you, comes across as incredible tenacity and humour to many of us.
At the end of the day, she's only human, yet unlike those who've chosen to take offence at her refusal to be cowed by relentless bullying, she has never once publicly wished harm on her detractors.
Long may she continue inspiring those of us who need her example to keep fighting.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 19/08/2025 20:43

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:33

She could be addressing things like child poverty, she could be helping people like Marcus rashford did. I just find it all quite sad that the elite in this country focus on the divisive rhetoric rather than actually trying to improve things.

£200m?

What £200m??

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/08/2025 20:48

Merrymouse · 19/08/2025 17:39

It’s not just that he thinks that women talk about their bras all the time - he thinks they also tweet about it…?

If he is right I can only conclude that I am not a woman.

Me neither, I don’t talk about bras, I don’t watch Love Island and I don’t call my friends ‘the girls’. Maybe I am a man after all.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/08/2025 21:07

Here’s bra man again, this time continuing to attack the Polari prize. They wanted it gone and now it has gone they’re still bullying them. You cannot ever appease these people, that’s why you should simply ignore them and refuse to bow to their threats.

This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..
CarobBean72 · 19/08/2025 21:58

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:39

Okay. You don’t need to be, because I hold my beliefs and you hold yours. For what it’s worth, I don’t know where I sit on the entire trans thing but I think I lean more towards the views held on this board. I just find it sad when anyone with great wealth becomes like this.

You’re entitled to your own opinion, of course.

But not to your own facts.

When the facts contradict your opinions, you show us all what your opinions are worth.

CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 22:01

MyNameIsX · 19/08/2025 19:55

With the greatest respect to the OP - despite proclamations of acting in good faith etc., I for one am not buying it.

To start a thread asserting that if one does not agree with a flawed premise, they should not bother posting, is entirely cynical.

Leopards & spots comes to mind.

Fair enough. You are completely wrong about me, but hey ho!

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CarobBean72 · 19/08/2025 22:13

Bloozie · 18/08/2025 09:49

She’s a divisive social media provocateur, and whether it’s an issue I largely agree with - like hers - or people like Andrew Tate or Katie Hopkins, anyone who is terminally online hunting down things to be offended by and posting provocative statements or photos, I find a bit pathetic.

Yes: she spends ALL her time on social
media & absolutely none at all writing the 4 weighty tomes of the Strike series she’s published since 2020, setting up the charity Beira’s place, having oversight of the Hogwarts game development & the forthcoming Netflix series, being a wife & mother & occasionally hanging out on her massive yacht.

fabricstash · 19/08/2025 22:37

The cigar post was a reference to the A- team! Which to be fair younger people might not get. However, it was a response to the Supreme Court ruling. are you saying you wish woman did not mean adult human female in the law? What word are we going to give this group of people then?

SapphireSeptember · 19/08/2025 22:57

I love the picture of her with a cigar and whiskey (?) and it gave me a laugh.

The Hallmarked Man comes out in a couple of weeks, can't wait! 😁

ThorsRaven · 20/08/2025 00:13

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 09:05

I admire her charity work but dislike her social media presence because I think people with huge reach and influence who engage in petty smackdowns of people they disagree with is not a good look. Does she ever post about anything else?

Yes. She used to do threads specifically for kids, but she had to stop because the TRAs spammed the kid-friendly threads with pornography and graphic adult content.

Weneedmoreheretics · 20/08/2025 08:43

And bil ok Val lover of Sturgeon is a lesbian woman hater who claims to be a Lesbian Couldn’t make it up, now there’s some books to throw in the river.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/08/2025 08:51

ThorsRaven · 20/08/2025 00:13

Yes. She used to do threads specifically for kids, but she had to stop because the TRAs spammed the kid-friendly threads with pornography and graphic adult content.

And then they say we are bigots for not wanting them in our changing rooms and rape crisis groups.

I mean, really, look at yourselves.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/08/2025 09:00

And as I said upthread, not only did they do that, but when she laughed about their dicks on Twitter and said she hasn’t reported them but might release a coffee table book, they accused her of “ignoring child abuse”.

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 12:19

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

This is the lunatic conspiracy theory that JK Rowling, back in 2011 when she began planning the Strike series, was well aware that the man known as Bob Heath to his friends & who published all his (fairly obscure) research, including his 1972 experiment on gay conversion, under the name RG Heath had the middle name Galbraith and chose it for that reason - as opposed to, say, echoing the well-known economist & diplomat of her & my youth, JK (note the initials) Galbraith.

I’d like to bet that the first time @StMarie4Me heard of Bob Heath & his experiments was when Pink News decided to make the wholly spurious connection in 2020 - along with the false claim that her then latest novel Troubled Blood was about a “transwoman” serial killer (it’s actually about catching a female serial killer, but you have to read it to know that).

It’s notable too that nobody made this false claim about the pseudonym before Rowling tweeted in support of Maya Forstater.

If Heath’s discredited work & unused middle name was so well known, why did her agent & publisher OK the pseudonym & no reviewer or commentator mention it in 2013 when the first Strike book appeared? Or in 2014, 2015 & 2018 when subsequent books came out?

Besides, if JK Rowling was truly a homophobic supporter of gay conversion therapy, she wouldn’t be a TERF.

She’d be as keen on the chemical sterilisation and surgical mutilation of gender-non-confirming kids likely to grow up as healthy gay, lesbian & bisexual adults as the transactivists are.

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/08/2025 13:11

thank you for explaining that @CarobBean72

Waitwhat23 · 20/08/2025 13:23

It's actually a handy indicator. Anyone declaring any of the following in particular -

Declaring that JKR is the devil because of her defence of women's legal rights to single sex services as per the EQA 2010 or that she's not 'being kind enough' to absolute wallopers like India Willoughby.

That the Harry Potter series can be divorced from its creator and (in one particularly eye rolling bit of cringe I saw yesterday) having a big old tantrum about doughnuts decorated like Hogwart's houses.

Bringing up that utter nonsense about a pen name. It's a bit of a fucking stretch even for the most reality denying TRA's that JKR purposely based her pseudonym on Robert Galbraith Heath, as a pp has explained above.

The above just makes people think 'ah, you're a credulous numpty with no critical thinking skills'. As I said, it's quite useful.

GallantKumquat · 20/08/2025 13:48

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 12:19

This is the lunatic conspiracy theory that JK Rowling, back in 2011 when she began planning the Strike series, was well aware that the man known as Bob Heath to his friends & who published all his (fairly obscure) research, including his 1972 experiment on gay conversion, under the name RG Heath had the middle name Galbraith and chose it for that reason - as opposed to, say, echoing the well-known economist & diplomat of her & my youth, JK (note the initials) Galbraith.

I’d like to bet that the first time @StMarie4Me heard of Bob Heath & his experiments was when Pink News decided to make the wholly spurious connection in 2020 - along with the false claim that her then latest novel Troubled Blood was about a “transwoman” serial killer (it’s actually about catching a female serial killer, but you have to read it to know that).

It’s notable too that nobody made this false claim about the pseudonym before Rowling tweeted in support of Maya Forstater.

If Heath’s discredited work & unused middle name was so well known, why did her agent & publisher OK the pseudonym & no reviewer or commentator mention it in 2013 when the first Strike book appeared? Or in 2014, 2015 & 2018 when subsequent books came out?

Besides, if JK Rowling was truly a homophobic supporter of gay conversion therapy, she wouldn’t be a TERF.

She’d be as keen on the chemical sterilisation and surgical mutilation of gender-non-confirming kids likely to grow up as healthy gay, lesbian & bisexual adults as the transactivists are.

Interestingly the Wikipedia entry for aug 2011 is quite sparse and doesn't mention conversion therapy. That notability seems to have been added well after the original entry had been made. 🤔

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_Galbraith_Heath&oldid=446221001

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 13:49

My personal favourite to the question “What is it that JK Rowling has actually said or done which has made so many apparently adult people swear blind that she’s a genocidal transphobic bigot & force for evil?” was:

well, nothing BUT she continues to write & tweet after trans people told her not to.

And there, I think, we have it.

Beowulfa · 20/08/2025 14:22

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:19

This will always be one of my favourites.

James blunt is also epic at it. Hope he published a book of his troll responses one day.

Just to say that James Blunt did publish a book of his tweets and it is indeed funny. So few celebs seem able to take the piss out of themselves.

I've never been on Twitter so was first alerted to the fact that Rowling had done something wrong by a FB friend posting furiously about the Galbraith name and Cho Chang suddenly being unacceptable. I was puzzled because Rowling was famously a lovely lefty philanthropist, and my friend was a lefty good guy. On closer inspection (ie reading her essay) I realised my nice lefty friend was actually a woke bro who had a lot of blue hair tribe friends who thought men playing women's rugby was fine.

CurlewKate · 20/08/2025 15:11

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 13:49

My personal favourite to the question “What is it that JK Rowling has actually said or done which has made so many apparently adult people swear blind that she’s a genocidal transphobic bigot & force for evil?” was:

well, nothing BUT she continues to write & tweet after trans people told her not to.

And there, I think, we have it.

Wait-she should have stopped writing and tweeting “because trans people told her not to”? Is that what you’re saying?

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CurlewKate · 20/08/2025 15:12

CurlewKate · 20/08/2025 15:11

Wait-she should have stopped writing and tweeting “because trans people told her not to”? Is that what you’re saying?

Sorry@CarobBean72I misunderstood. As you were!

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/08/2025 16:09

Thank you @Beowulfa, I'm off to Amazon to search for it now.

Katasaurus · 21/08/2025 00:31

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

Sorry I missed this before I posted first time but I am absolutely staggered by it. Also sorry if I'm repeating what other people have asked and would be grateful if anyone can point me to answers already given to the following questions:

  1. Where is the evidence for the allegation that she is filled with hate for anyone who isn't straight and white? What specific examples can you give of hate for anyone?
  2. How does anyone who believes this is true reconcile it with the fact that she set up and pours millions of pounds into a charity - The Lumos Foundation - which works for children in Kenya and Ethiopia as well as many other countries around the world?
  3. Is the poster of this comment a trans-identifying man or the parent, partner of sibling of a trans-identifying person? I know this is a personal matter but I honestly can't think of any other reason as to why anyone would post such a ridiculous and nasty comment.
Mila6464 · 21/08/2025 21:14

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:33

She could be addressing things like child poverty, she could be helping people like Marcus rashford did. I just find it all quite sad that the elite in this country focus on the divisive rhetoric rather than actually trying to improve things.

you really think that undermining half the population, on behalf of a few fetishists is a minor thing?