This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

[CurlewKate]

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

Is this post supposed to be blaming feminists campaigning to prioritise female people’s needs for these actions?

Do you think perhaps you should turn your pointing finger of shame at the male people who have demanded that they be treated as in they were female and cannot respect single sex provisions and just access them knowing they should not? That way lies the blame.

What a depressing thread. When all this started a few years ago I was quite forgiving of people who were pushing gender ideology because I thought they probably weren't aware of exactly what was going on - rapists in women's prisons, young women having double mastectomies, women losing their job for believing in biological sex. Eight years on, there is no excuse for not knowing what is happening but still there are people blindly pushing this stuff.

TRA has gone from trans rights and women rights are compatible, to women rights are to blame for everything.

Its because men dont need womens rights, even those men who role play at being women. Women rights are now stopping them doing what they want, when they want.

TRA want the spaces to exist so they can access women, but as soon as measures are in place to ensure that they are women only, having women space is impossible or old fashioned.

As we all know, womens spaces have never been gatekept on a idea of beauty, or what we wear, or how tall we are. Its based on being female. TRA lie when they claim that the world is so gender conforming, women just cannot get their heads round the idea that a women might be tall or have short hair, or a butch lesbian might wear a dress (!) where do TRA think women live?

Men used to use being unchallenged in womens spaces as a form of acceptable or passing. Many claim never to have been challenged, even though i stuggle to name a female passing man. So its odd that when trans activism has ramped up, and women have started to challenge men in women spaces, its never them who are challenged, but women?

1. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

Good heavens, how many butch lesbians ARE there in the population?
And where were they all in my clubbing days??

They seem to be popping up everywhere now, and all of them have straight friends who post on MN, and all of them get not only challenged, but actually chased out of women's toilets.
I didn't know there were enough butch lesbians to go around!

Quite.

Either this sort of thing was happening before trans became a thing (though I doubt it), in which case it’s some women being nasty, or it only started after trans became a thing, in which case it’s down to men self identifying into women’s spaces and spooking women. That’s if it’s really happening at all; it may be, IDK.

Either way it’s not the fault of JKR, or sex realistic beliefs women generally.

Don’t believe the nightclub story….at all.

I agree. All the lesbians I know were supremely delighted by the Supreme Court ruling. Including all the 'butch' ones. Now, finally, they can have lesbian-only events/apps free of bepenised people. And they all continue to be delighted by it, though cross with its bumpy, delayed-in-some-areas rollout.

Very, very occasionally, a woman (of any sexual orientation) may appear quite masculine to another woman. And she might get challenged with a "This is the ladies!?" for example.

But women - even very tall ones with very short hair, no makeup and wearing androgynous clothing - will still have a woman's voice, move like a woman and react to a challenge like a woman.

My lesbian friends don't know of any incidences where a quick (slightly embarrassing) chat hasn't resolved this confusion very quickly. And any claims to the contrary are misinformed nonsense on stilts.

Why the sarcasm?

When the sarcasm?
Last August!
The context might explain why the sarcasm.

Funny, also, that these It’s True It Happened To A Friend stories are always about ‘butch lesbians’, as if no heterosexual woman has ever been challenged in the women’s toilets, or been addressed as ‘Sir’, or in any other way mis-identified. Only ever lesbians, hmm?

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Maybe I should have been clearer that 1) and 2) in my post are both heterosexual women.

And all three of them have given birth to children.

So, the fact that Graham Linehan tried to ruin a friends life is down to trans women, not him?

Riiight.

How nice for you. Always such a well thought out argument when someone says something you disagree with. "I don't believe you"

You’ve been dining out on this for quite a while now.

Well, she's my niece, so yes, I did take it quite personally.

I see you haven't bothered taking offence about the two straight women I posted about.

That's a total non sequitur.

What has this got to do with JKR?

I've posted about it in two threads on MN.

Do you fail to understand how hideous it was for her and her family? For her employers who literally received death threats? For her previous employers who had to get the police involved? For her daughters having to go to school knowing that people had been told their mother was trans? (Her son went to an all boys school, so was less of an issue).

Only someone truly hideous wouldn't find it utterly repellent if it happened to a friend of theirs.

As I said, JKR was involved with retweeting it. (She did delete them after a few days). It is JKR who is giving people the supposed freedom to abuse who ever they like (not JKR alone).

How is she giving anyone freedom to do anything? She just says what she thinks. What others do is not up to her.

So you think this is JKR's fault because she retweeted and then deleted something?

Dear god in heaven, wtf is wrong with you?

Not a word about the men who created this climate off suspicion by infiltrating women's spaces in the first place, I note.

But why blame the men actually responsible when can burn the witch instead I guess? Much more satisfying. 🙄

She would only delete anything if she thought she’d got it wrong.

She retweeted someone claiming someone was trans, with their name, a link to their linkedin, and a photo of the person saying "you can see the five oclock shadow" (you couldn't. It was just a black and white photo). She has an enormous following, and with that comes the responsibility to double check that you're not putting someone at risk with your tweets.

If you can't see why that is, frankly, dangerous and the total opposite of 'protecting women', then I despair.

She did get it wrong.