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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:19

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

What, like the delight that is India Willoughby?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:21

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

Such as…

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:22

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

How has she done that exactly? The only known trans person I see her grappling with in the public eye is India Willoughby and they certainly seem to thrive on the attention and aren't above throwing insults around themselves.

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:22

I was not thinking of IW particularly, no.

OldCrone · 18/08/2025 20:22

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 15:47

I have said, repeatedly, that I don't want to post something that contains personal information, especially about the friend. That is my choice.

There is also, as far as I am aware, no way to show what has been deleted.

And as I have repeatedly said, I'm not bothered by whether you believe me or not. That is not why I posted. But the harder you all push for "proof" the less you actually have to understand that she may not be perfect. And because I don't believe she is a perfect angel, and have dared to say so, I am accused of being a liar.. any moment now someone will accuse me of "probably being a man".

As a human I can care about a cause, without worshipping everyone associated with that cause.

Of course she's not perfect. Nobody is. But you seem to think she's evil incarnate just because she holds opinions that you don't share.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:23

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:09

Yes, it is in the public arena that JK Rowling receives royalties from Harry Potter licensing. It is in the public arena that Primark, H&M etc, who have used the licensing for HP and therefore must pay royalties, have a murky history when it comes to child exploitation within their factories. It is not up to me to prove anything, I am just commenting on information widely available on the internet.

Again, I'm not sure why people on this thread are desperate to then turn the argument around and try to create an irrelevant debate. Obviously I am opposed to the things you have just listed, but what's that got to do with JK Rowling?

‘ It is not up to me to prove anything, I am just commenting on information widely available on the internet.’

Is it on Reddit? Surely you must know not all widely available information on the internet is equal? And yes, it IS up to you to prove the statements that YOU have made in regards to child exploitation.

It’s hardly irrelevant to explore your morality when you are quite happy to give us chapter and verse on the lack thereof in JKR. The two examples I used are very relevant to JKR, given how much you apparently know about her I’m surprised you don’t know that.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:23

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:21

Such as…

Bored Cabin Fever GIF

Awaits "I'm too busy to tell you this, just look on her X page" reply.

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:24

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:21

Such as…

Lucy Clark for instance

PlainJane999 · 18/08/2025 20:25

An example of her transphobia is the marycatedelvey video she retweeted in May.

It starts with a question "Why would someone choose to be trans ?"

The person in the video responds with: "It's a "f**cking fetish Jannet", calls all trans women "porn addicted degenerates" and describes trans rights as a perverts movement.

I am sorry, but you can't call an entire segment of the population porn addicted degenerates and then claim not to have a prejudice against them.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:26

https://www.yesmagazine.org/democracy/2015/01/14/harry-potter-fans-and-jk-rowling-launch-slave-free-chocolate-company

This is relevant. Chocolate, not clothing. But it shows both the direct level of control she has over the supply chain (that is, none) and that she's very willing to pressure the licensees of the HP brand to remove child and slave labour from the process.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:27

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 20:16

Had a quick skim-I’ll read properly later-but it does seem that most of the objections to JKR detailed are actually nothing at all to do with trans issues at all. Is that so?

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It seems that most of the objections are unsubstantiated nonsense.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:27

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:24

Lucy Clark for instance

He'd been in her replies for years insulting her. Fair game.

sanityisamyth · 18/08/2025 20:27

Igneococcus · 18/08/2025 09:05

She doesn't believe that humans can change sex.

Believing in the biological truth, the monster.

100% this. Humans CANNOT change sex. No animal can change sex. Their cells, at the moment of conception, will ALL be either XX (female) or XY (male). Removing various parts of the anatomy and/or surgically replacing them with others does not change your sex. Flooding the body with hormones usually associated with the opposite sex does not change your sex. It may enhance characteristics normally associated with the opposite sex but they are still the original sex that was determined at conception.

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:33

PlainJane999 · 18/08/2025 20:25

An example of her transphobia is the marycatedelvey video she retweeted in May.

It starts with a question "Why would someone choose to be trans ?"

The person in the video responds with: "It's a "f**cking fetish Jannet", calls all trans women "porn addicted degenerates" and describes trans rights as a perverts movement.

I am sorry, but you can't call an entire segment of the population porn addicted degenerates and then claim not to have a prejudice against them.

Yet are we going to ignore the fact that some ‘transwomen’ are extremely open about the fact that, for them, it is a fetish?

Delvey’s entire feed is quoting what ‘transwomen’ say about themselves on Reddit and similar.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:35

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:24

Lucy Clark for instance

This Lucy Clark? Who had been goading JKR for years? https://nitter.poast.org/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114#m

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:36

PlainJane999 · 18/08/2025 20:25

An example of her transphobia is the marycatedelvey video she retweeted in May.

It starts with a question "Why would someone choose to be trans ?"

The person in the video responds with: "It's a "f**cking fetish Jannet", calls all trans women "porn addicted degenerates" and describes trans rights as a perverts movement.

I am sorry, but you can't call an entire segment of the population porn addicted degenerates and then claim not to have a prejudice against them.

She's not wrong though is she. For many if not most of these men who pretend to be women, it is a porn-driven sexual fetish. Some of them, including well-known published authors and film directors, admit this outright (see: Andrea Long Chu, Lilly Wachowski).

And if you consider that "trans rights" mostly focuses of giving these men access to female spaces, and these men know very well that women and girls object to their presence, what else can you call that? It is perverse for men to want to disregard women's boundaries.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:36

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:27

He'd been in her replies for years insulting her. Fair game.

I had totally forgotten about this so had to Google. Glad I did as found this excellent piece. The last line is certainly true "Bullies calling their victims bullies – it’s the slipperiest trick of the new left."

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:37

Oh stupid link didn't work but it was Brendan O'Neill writing in The Spectator.

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:37

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:22

I was not thinking of IW particularly, no.

Who then?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:38

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 19:48

How certain are you that Primark, H&M (do they still HP stuff) use child slave labour? A quick google shows that Primark doesn’t. From their website -

We ban the use of child labour anywhere in the Primark supply chain – it is unacceptable. This is clearly set out in the Primark Code of Conduct, which is based on standards set by the Ethical Trading Initiative (ETI) and the International Labour Organisation (ILO).
Every one of our suppliers and their factories must follow our Code of Conduct which covers areas such as pay, employment policies, the right to join a union, and health & safety – including minimum age requirements. We do a formal inspection of every factory against the Code before we will place any orders. We have our own dedicated team of 130 experts based in key sourcing countries who are responsible for more than 2,000 inspections every year. These inspections allow us to get a detailed picture of what conditions are like inside both new and approved factories and are vital in allowing us to check that our standards are being met.

Is she responsible for knock offs too? Maybe best to list what she isn’t responsible for at this stage.

She’s responsible for absolutely everything that’s bad in the world obviously, war, famine, murder, you name it, it’s all her fault. No proof required, just belief. Just like that other thing we’re supposed to believe in that doesn’t require proof, what’s it called again….?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/08/2025 20:39

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:33

Yet are we going to ignore the fact that some ‘transwomen’ are extremely open about the fact that, for them, it is a fetish?

Delvey’s entire feed is quoting what ‘transwomen’ say about themselves on Reddit and similar.

Exactly. Her series is called “Listen to Trans People” and it’s just grim and misogynistic comments from TRAs on social media. Why would women want to share spaces with men like that? It doesn’t matter if they are the minority, it’s completely male pattern behaviour and that’s why female spaces need to be female only.

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:39

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:36

She's not wrong though is she. For many if not most of these men who pretend to be women, it is a porn-driven sexual fetish. Some of them, including well-known published authors and film directors, admit this outright (see: Andrea Long Chu, Lilly Wachowski).

And if you consider that "trans rights" mostly focuses of giving these men access to female spaces, and these men know very well that women and girls object to their presence, what else can you call that? It is perverse for men to want to disregard women's boundaries.

To demonstrate this

This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..
Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/08/2025 20:39

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:36

I had totally forgotten about this so had to Google. Glad I did as found this excellent piece. The last line is certainly true "Bullies calling their victims bullies – it’s the slipperiest trick of the new left."

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DARVO - Deny attack, reverse victim and offender

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:41

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:39

To demonstrate this

I mean, what else are we supposed to call these men?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:43

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:39

To demonstrate this

Fucking hell.

Literally no other words.

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