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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:25

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:24

As I said, I know she doesn't control the IP licensing. But she has a vast platform to speak out on this stuff, and she doesn't, she remains focused on a very narrow cause. She also receives royalties for this type of licensing, which she at least in part uses to sit her on private super yacht taking pictures of herself puffing on a cigar. Like I said, it's not really giving "philanthropy" to me.

And yes, the HP actors benefited financially from being in the film, but the point remains that for a large part of the project they were children, who initially had no idea what they were signing up for, and who could not easily walk away given how popular they were in the roles. Daniel Radcliffe went on to battle addiction issues as a direct result of his fame. JK Rowling absolutely financially benefited from them in return, just as she will the new set of actors.

I'd say that's on their parents, not JK Rowling, though.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:17

She is a philanthropist though. That's not really a matter of debate. She set up and funds at least three charities and has donated money to countless other worthy causes.

Nobody is perfect but I'd say she's done a hell of a lot more good than bad.

It absolutely is a matter of debate. I am debating it right now. I don't believe financially benefiting from exploitative child labour can ever make one a philanthropist, no matter how many charities she funds in return.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:26

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:24

As I said, I know she doesn't control the IP licensing. But she has a vast platform to speak out on this stuff, and she doesn't, she remains focused on a very narrow cause. She also receives royalties for this type of licensing, which she at least in part uses to sit her on private super yacht taking pictures of herself puffing on a cigar. Like I said, it's not really giving "philanthropy" to me.

And yes, the HP actors benefited financially from being in the film, but the point remains that for a large part of the project they were children, who initially had no idea what they were signing up for, and who could not easily walk away given how popular they were in the roles. Daniel Radcliffe went on to battle addiction issues as a direct result of his fame. JK Rowling absolutely financially benefited from them in return, just as she will the new set of actors.

She also uses her royalties in part to fund research into neurological illnesses, keep children out of orphanages and provide the only single sex rape crisis support for women in Scotland, which can't be said for most other people, can it?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:27

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:26

It absolutely is a matter of debate. I am debating it right now. I don't believe financially benefiting from exploitative child labour can ever make one a philanthropist, no matter how many charities she funds in return.

So what are you doing about it? What campaigns have you started? How many people have you written to besides JKR about this issue?

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:28

Merrymouse · 18/08/2025 19:17

Can you provide quotes of her 'pot shots'?

As far as I remember she wrote a very balanced essay outlining her position, and some of the main cast condemned her, but from their responses hadn't even read what she wrote. At this point the child cast were at least 30 and had made millions out of their roles.

I don't know whether it is ever a good idea to become a child actor, but I don't think any of the main cast have expressed regret about taking the roles.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/19/jk-rowling-appears-to-criticise-harry-potter-three-main-actors-amid-ongoing-feud-daniel-radcliffe-emma-watson-rupert-grint-trans-rights

I can only imagine the press outrage if Daniel, Rupert or Emma turned around and said "Yes, I regret signing onto Harry Potter, looking back now as an adult." Do you think it probably isn't worth the headache for them to do so?

JK Rowling appears to criticise Harry Potter’s three stars amid feud

In response to a social media post asking who ‘ruins a movie for you’, the author alluded to Radcliffe, Watson and Grint, with whom she has fallen out over trans rights

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/19/jk-rowling-appears-to-criticise-harry-potter-three-main-actors-amid-ongoing-feud-daniel-radcliffe-emma-watson-rupert-grint-trans-rights

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:30

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:28

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/19/jk-rowling-appears-to-criticise-harry-potter-three-main-actors-amid-ongoing-feud-daniel-radcliffe-emma-watson-rupert-grint-trans-rights

I can only imagine the press outrage if Daniel, Rupert or Emma turned around and said "Yes, I regret signing onto Harry Potter, looking back now as an adult." Do you think it probably isn't worth the headache for them to do so?

What reason do you have to believe that they do regret it?

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:30

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:25

I'd say that's on their parents, not JK Rowling, though.

I would say that's a very narrow way of thinking. JK Rowling is in the movie industry, and change has to start from within. You will always get naive or money-grabbing parents pushing their kids into the limelight, but huge production companies have a responsibility to set best practice.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:31

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:30

I would say that's a very narrow way of thinking. JK Rowling is in the movie industry, and change has to start from within. You will always get naive or money-grabbing parents pushing their kids into the limelight, but huge production companies have a responsibility to set best practice.

She became involved in the movie industry at the same time they did.

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 19:32

viques · 18/08/2025 19:08

Do you mean she stands up to men instead of meekly saying yes dear and holding her tongue , then has the cheek to argue rationally, not back down when threatened with rape, burning or hanging , call out people who make ridiculous statements about sex and gender and use humour and sarcasm to highlight the shallow misinformation that often passes for truth and debate from the trans camp ? Is that what counts as bullying these days?

I have to say if that’s the case for the prosecution it’s a pretty low bar.

No

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:32

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:27

So what are you doing about it? What campaigns have you started? How many people have you written to besides JKR about this issue?

Sorry, is this thread about me, or JK Rowling?

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:33

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:30

I would say that's a very narrow way of thinking. JK Rowling is in the movie industry, and change has to start from within. You will always get naive or money-grabbing parents pushing their kids into the limelight, but huge production companies have a responsibility to set best practice.

Yes, but again, that isn't on Rowling, is it?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:34

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:32

Sorry, is this thread about me, or JK Rowling?

Well the issue of major brands choosing to licence to less than squeaky clean companies is a much bigger issue than JK Rowling (who isn't even involved in brand licensing anyway), isn't it?

If she hasn't shopped in Primark since 1996 she might not even be aware they sell Harry Potter T-shirts.

Frankly, if you wrote to everyone you could think of about this issue, she's probably the one person most likely to care and pay any attention to your letter. I doubt WB or Disney or Marvel would give a shit.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:30

What reason do you have to believe that they do regret it?

Can you please read my posts fully instead of picking one quote out from each and attempting to "gotcha" me? I have no idea whether they regret it, I don't know them. I'm saying that if they did, they probably wouldn't be rushing to share that knowing how often the press manipulates their words and reduces complex sentiments down to a single clickbait headline.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 19:34

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:26

She's shown herself to be a bully & is vile to people for no reason other than she has discovered their views may not align perfectly with hers.

Not entirely surprised, there were clues before all this.

Ooh I love clues, do tell.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:35

And I don't see any of the people who hate Rowling campaigning against child actors or slave labour, which is weird because, by their logic, this makes them really bad people, right? I mean, they're always berating Rowling (and the rest of us) for focusing on this one topic and ignoring poverty or whatever, so shouldn't they be doing likewise?

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:35

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:34

Can you please read my posts fully instead of picking one quote out from each and attempting to "gotcha" me? I have no idea whether they regret it, I don't know them. I'm saying that if they did, they probably wouldn't be rushing to share that knowing how often the press manipulates their words and reduces complex sentiments down to a single clickbait headline.

So, again, aspersions are being made with no evidence to back them up?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 19:36

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

So they don’t exist then? Got it 👍

Bannedontherun · 18/08/2025 19:37

Wowser so JKR wrote books for children about children. Enjoyed universally by children, who may never have otherwise engaged in the literary word.

That were turned into films about children for children. That included children as actors who became very famous and wealthy.

And that is somehow an act of terrible exploitation. Even building a school for young protégés plucked out of obscurity, what a fucking outrage.

On the other hand trans ideology has recruited vulnerable children to bolster their self obsessed , sexual proclivities, saw to it that said children who fall in their thrall get sterilised, dance to the TRA tune and are impoverished, sexually, physically emotionally, and financially, and are alienated from their families.

Anyone who cannot see that stark comparators, who think they are somehow liberals are fucking fools of the first order.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:37

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:34

Can you please read my posts fully instead of picking one quote out from each and attempting to "gotcha" me? I have no idea whether they regret it, I don't know them. I'm saying that if they did, they probably wouldn't be rushing to share that knowing how often the press manipulates their words and reduces complex sentiments down to a single clickbait headline.

Oh come on. The press loves them. Constantly repeating the fact that they have parroted meaningless platitudes like "trans women are women" and "trans people are so loved" without making even the slightest attempt to question whether what they said makes any sense.

The vast majority of the media paints them as the goodies and her as the baddie.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:41

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:35

And I don't see any of the people who hate Rowling campaigning against child actors or slave labour, which is weird because, by their logic, this makes them really bad people, right? I mean, they're always berating Rowling (and the rest of us) for focusing on this one topic and ignoring poverty or whatever, so shouldn't they be doing likewise?

Again, why are you focusing on other people and not on JK Rowling, in a thread about JK Rowling?

How do you know who people like me and others who see her hypocritical actions for what they are, aren't also involved in other types of campaign work? You don't, so focus on the woman we're discussing. I'm attempting to debate with you in good faith, but your need to divert away from JK Rowling's hypocrisy doesn't suggest you're doing the same.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:44

Bannedontherun · 18/08/2025 19:37

Wowser so JKR wrote books for children about children. Enjoyed universally by children, who may never have otherwise engaged in the literary word.

That were turned into films about children for children. That included children as actors who became very famous and wealthy.

And that is somehow an act of terrible exploitation. Even building a school for young protégés plucked out of obscurity, what a fucking outrage.

On the other hand trans ideology has recruited vulnerable children to bolster their self obsessed , sexual proclivities, saw to it that said children who fall in their thrall get sterilised, dance to the TRA tune and are impoverished, sexually, physically emotionally, and financially, and are alienated from their families.

Anyone who cannot see that stark comparators, who think they are somehow liberals are fucking fools of the first order.

Two things can be true at once. It's not always an either/or situation. If you don't believe the entertainment industry has a well documented history of exploiting child actors, and that a decade long project in the current age of emboldened online negativity and sometimes outright bigotry, is going to most likely prove a challenging backdrop for these new child actors to grow up in, you are sadly mistaken.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 19:45

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 18:57

Coincidental how more than one poster who claims to have concrete proof of her being a transphobe then "hasn't got time" to find it when asked to deliver.

They’re busy people, Reddit doesn’t run itself you know.

Merrymouse · 18/08/2025 19:46

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:28

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/19/jk-rowling-appears-to-criticise-harry-potter-three-main-actors-amid-ongoing-feud-daniel-radcliffe-emma-watson-rupert-grint-trans-rights

I can only imagine the press outrage if Daniel, Rupert or Emma turned around and said "Yes, I regret signing onto Harry Potter, looking back now as an adult." Do you think it probably isn't worth the headache for them to do so?

So a slightly snippy comment 5 years after they called her a bigot, for reasons that can only be presumed to be cowardice or stupidity.

These are all adults, but you seem to have different expectations of Rowling.

For comparison, she has been commenting on politics for a long time, and is often quite barbed (e.g. comments on Corbyn), but many writers comment on politics.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:47

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:41

Again, why are you focusing on other people and not on JK Rowling, in a thread about JK Rowling?

How do you know who people like me and others who see her hypocritical actions for what they are, aren't also involved in other types of campaign work? You don't, so focus on the woman we're discussing. I'm attempting to debate with you in good faith, but your need to divert away from JK Rowling's hypocrisy doesn't suggest you're doing the same.

I don't, and I actually agreed with you about the sweatshops, and think that's terrible. I have no strong feelings on Rowling either way.

Look at just about any TRA who vocally targets JK Rowling, and I can bet you they won't have mentioned any of this stuff unless in a dig about her. However, they're exactly the people who are always banging on about "why doesn't she spend her time campaigning on X,Y,Z instead. They're hypocrites. That's all I was saying.

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 19:48

'In Scotland, Multiple Sclerosis (MS) is more prevalent in women than men, with a national female-to-male ratio of 2.3:1. Scotland also has one of the highest rates of MS diagnoses in the world'. JKR has made Scotland a world leader in MS research.

https://clinical-brain-sciences.ed.ac.uk/news-archive-2014-2021/news-jul-dec-2019/jk-rowling-donates-further-ps15m-multiple-sclerosis

Funds the only single sex rape crisis service in Edinburgh and the Lothians (totally. Down to the teabags)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-63943766.amp

Helped to fund a rescue mission to get women lawyers out of Afghanistan -

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-helped-afghan-lawyers-flee-the-taliban/

Has set up a legal fund to help women facing discrimination by their employers and services which fail to provide single sex services as stated in the EQA2010 and which was clarified as having always should have been the case since 2010 as was clarified in the Supreme Court
judgement

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25190054.jk-rowling-fund-gender-critical-womens-cases-employers/

Lumos - We shed light on the root causes of family separation – poverty, conflict and discrimination. We press and support governments to reform care systems and show how children can be safely united with families.

Volent - Helping to alleviate social deprivation primarily across Scotland, particularly supporting women, children and young people at risk.

But, I mean, what.a.bitch, right? /s

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