Countering 'gender critical' misinformation for the umpteenth time

[BeeSourianteAgain]

The firehose of misinformation that comes from 'gender critical' world is quite insane, so posting the latest nonsense here and tackling from the source, so to speak.

The rant attached is typical, I've heard similar ?hundreds of times, particularly on the Nazi site.

Ignoring the unhinged hate that is quite normal for such people.

(1) Trans women "sprout tits" because there's a large increase (all humans have both estradiol and testosterone, but just differ in amount) in estradiol due to the bio-identical* - the same thing that happens in regular puberty. It's why it's called 2nd puberty for those who have already gone through one. "sex" isn't a magic construct, we are all human beings who have the genetic instructions for both male and female characteristics. Sex hormones are essentially 'sex-signalling' chemicals.

Sex hormones cause a change in genetic expression and the body responds (i.e.phenotypic expression) by building whatever sex structures that are being signalled and even attempts to modify what is already created (hence change in size and thankful loss of function in both trans men and women)

(2) Breasts or any other sex characteristics don't "disappear" - they can and do lose function and atrophy, but in order to change structures that have already been created, you'll need gender-affirming surgery (something which people are fine with cisgender people do it, but get all icky and lizard-brained when trans people do it) Similarly, post menopause, because the relative ratio of testosterone: estradiol is more balanced (cisgender) women can and do gain more male characteristic (e.g.. lowering of vocal pitch, pattern baldness), though it's nothing like what happens with transgender men as they have an extreme testosterone: estradiol ratio as cisgender men

(3) As stated previously, all humans have both testosterone and estradiol..and there's nothing "alien" about bioidentical hormones, if that were the case, all humans would have these "alien" chemicals running around them.

(4) There's nothing particularly remarkable about the amount of sex hormones that the vaaaast majority of trans people take (I know of a single binary trans person who isn't and that's only due to their specific health circumstances - I know hundreds of trans people). It's increased if estradiol / testosterone is still being endogenously produced, but as with what happens in 100% of cases, once that stops (even if you don't have surgeries, your body 'gets the message' after a time anyway), once that's not an issue, doses are in the same range as anyone else.

Even if trans people were smothering themselves in gel like GCs believe, it wouldn't matter anyway. Sex hormones are not paracetamol - to 'overdose' on them would pretty much mean drowning yourself in vat of hormone gel.

Just like with cisgender women, trans women often also reduce their dose later in life.

(5) Trans people don't take hormones to 'feminise' - they take them to deal with (body) gender dysphoria. It's utterly crazy the amount of anti-trans activists who, despite obsessing over us 24/7, don't know that body gender dysphoria is a thing. A few years back my jaw dropped when I had to explain that to a prominent member of the now defunct Women's Place. It's like people think we go through sex changes for fun smh

(6) The wishing of death on trans people by the GC in attached, is, sadly for her, incorrect. We do have worse health outcomes but for the same boring reasons that any other marginalised group does. Again, HRT relating to sex-change or menopause is in 99% of cases, bioidentical. There were issues relating to synthetic hormones which we should be having a conversation about in relation to younger cisgender women, but sadly fake feminists don't want that.

Trans women are at increased risk of things like breast cancer and reduced risk of prostate cancer, but the former isn't any different to cisgender women, as, unsurprisingly they're exactly the same things.

If anyone read that and still thinks that 'sex' is a binary, immutable thing, then you are truly lost.

*i.e. chemically identical - the only people who get horse-piss estradiol these days are younger cisgender women who are on birth control meds that contain estradiol as well as (synthetic) progresterone. Of course, this should actually be a concern but apparently shitting on trans people is what passes for 'women's rights activism' for some, particularly r/w, people. There's no good reason that I know of why BC should still be using synthetics.

Male and female sexes evolved to increase variation in species, not to allow people to express their gender identity.

Well written and thank you for writing. I'm a cis woman and feminist, and I despair of some of the "gender critical" misinformation and to be honest, intolerance. I am, however, heartened by the attitudes of my teenage kids and their friends who all seem to find this much easier to accept and are much kinder to each other than my generation were in high school.

Here we go again 😂

Dude. Get a hobby.

I'm afraid you grow moobs. Like some other men who don't take hormones not meant for them.

Bingo!

Trans people don't take hormones to 'feminise' - they take them to deal with (body) gender dysphoria.

Interestingly I thought all transgender had gender dysphoria but found out that that's "transmedicalism" and is controversial in the transgender community.

I don't see how the OP's two statements are contradictory tbh.

"Anyone read that and still thinks that 'sex' is a binary, immutable thing, then you are truly lost."

Er yeah we all know about sex hormones and still think sex is binary. Thanks again 👍

I thought your post was interesting, if not also unnecessarily ranty.

Thats not a nice comment you have attached so we can agree on that.

If anyone read that and still thinks that 'sex' is a binary, immutable thing, then you are truly lost.

You brought up some interesting points for discussion but huge leap to the above. That literally has nothing to do with what your points were. So yes I’m lost. Send the search party.

Intolerance of what? Bullshit? And teenagers believe all sorts of deluded crap. ‘Acceptance’ by teenagers is really not a good measure of discernment or a replacement for the inconvenient truth I’m afraid. Humans can’t change sex.

Anyone else who knew that this would be another daft thread by Bee from the title alone, you also get to claim 'Bingo'.

Sure.

Those men tend to have an oestrogen imbalance too.

The post is vile, some people are just hateful pricks regardless of sex or gender identity.

Your knowledge is no doubt better than mine, I’d have thought anyone taking oestrogen ‘tablets’ was on a riskier path blood clot wise My understanding is that the safest bio identical hormones are now delivered transdermally. Also that oestrogen is generally protective for CVD/some cancers and liver/metabolic disease. Which is why women live longer on average than men.

True, or a weight problem.

Still men, though.

I’m not sure it’s protective in men taking large quantities of a hormone their body isn’t equipped for.

TLDR

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29987313/

I think sex hormones are just hormones - it’s not about if the body is ‘equipped’, they’re just messages to tell the body to do something. Stress hormones and so on are damaging, but I don’t think bio identical sex hormones are intrinsically harmful. Synthetic ones are to both women and men/trans women.

Wheres that diagram of the tissue of a male breast verses a female breast?

How inconvient that cross sex hormones don't change their structure.

I think this would be expected - older forms of oestrogen can increase blood clotting. I may be reading incorrectly but I think the study is comparing hormone using trans male and female participants with non-hormone using cis male and female participants?

Older forms of oestrogen are also a vascular risk to cis female users.

@BeeSourianteAgain all you've done here is proven that, like most AGP's, you're reeeaaalllyy obsessed with tits.

…but please let it not be cycling.

It’s likely the sex hormones have a different effect on a male body, with a male reproductive system as “trans women” have, than a female one. That’s what I meant. Men are male in every cell of their body and women are female. Female bodies experience cardiovascular problems at a later age and often in a different way to men.

There is no such thing as “cis”. All “trans women” are men.