some parallels

[Manfreglory]

I've been teasing out this idea, that transphobia and xenophobia have much in common.

• both rest on 'you're not from here; your culture is different; you can't know what it is to have grown up 'over here'/had period pains/gone through labour.

• both reject difference or change in favour of sameness or stasis. 'You look and talk and think differently/you underwent a journey to get here/I can't fully relate to you'.

• both rest not just on culture but on biology: 'Your genes are different than mine/your genotype for phenotype A, B or C aren't identical to mine'.

• both are territorial: 'i sweated blood as a member of this sex/to make it in this society - who are you to come here and demand a seat at the table'?

• both are suspicious of the reasons for transformation. 'You just want the perks of being female; you just want to look up our skirts in the toilet; you just migrated here from Guatemala for financial stability.'

• both demonize, aggressively overstating the chance that the person has or will commit a crime. (Migrants: no need to give examples, just read the news. Trans people: 'you just want access to 'our spaces'' (i.e. the spaces where women/cis women enjoy their privacy from all men, cis or trans) so you can assault us'.

• both minimize or even deny, the need for the transition: 'No child is born trans/those parents were homophobic as the kid was just gay/trans women are men with their dicks lopped off/people should stay in their home country and migration is too dangerous'.

• both hysterically fear that the trans person/migrant will corrupt innocents: 'they will indoctrinate children in school/they will spread religious fundamentalism'.

Gender critical women: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.

“Gender critical women: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.”

No. I am just someone who doesn’t believe that one group’s philosophical belief that doesn’t reflect material reality should have priority in society when sex matters.

It is a universal belief that humans cannot change sex.

ya mean HRT? what hormones?

oh! you mean, I AM TRANS! and am taking sex hormones!

thuscisntvabout sex though; it's about gender.

anytime someone says 'it's a universal human belief', you know what's coming next is going to be pretty stupid.

Is this part of the new TRA talking points sheet circulating on Reddit/Twitter. The old one was growing a bit old so are we getting a preview of the next one? Ooh, how exciting!

I've seen the nonsense about parakeets and the bug eyed semantics about banned v excluded and now this mish mash of nonsense.

It's like a 'coming soon!' feature at the cinema of the thread botherers talking points.

(sonorous voice) 'Coming soon to a board near you! Birds that can change sex! Force teaming (teaming, teaming, teaming). Banning books is goooood!'

ah, all those trans women banging down the doors in the ladies? is that what you mean? if your idea of a 'woman's space' is a...toilet....how sad is that?

Men who say they are women do cherry pick. They perform sexy girl or little girl or busy mum or breastfeeding mum or menstruating woman, etc for an audience. But they aren't cleaning behind the fridge, or organising the school run, or taking elderly parents in law on a day out. And they certainly aren't breastfeeding or menstruating.

Also, you really need to have a go at quoting the post you are replying to as otherwise your posts on this thread are going to look like some sort of unhinged manifesto.

LOL. Most of us are not taking you seriously at all. Your 'analogy' is just so much hot air.

Isn't it more sad that transwomen want to be in them so desperately?

no more sad than you want to be and not wanting them to be.

you're right!

Well no. They can change gender however much they like. But they’ll always be their birth sex. So it’s fine. We make all facilities gender neutral, but separate them by sex. Then everyone’s happy. Transpeople are recognised as their preferred gender and everyone gets the single sex spaces they are entitled to by law. It’s a win win.

We don't want men in our spaces and transwomen are men. It's as simple as that. All this angsting over a reality that you can't change no matter how many hormones and surgery you throw at it.
Sad times.

this is incredible. you seem to have a way of monitoring all trans women in real-time! so knowledgeable!

Super! I'd be more than happy to continue this conversation on whatever reddit sub you slithered over here from. For all you're talk of "phobias," notice how we ladies aren't scared of actually having a dialog with you. Unlike you're ilk over on reddit where you would have censored and deleted a similar post from us bc, of course, you're whole dogma requires you to be factphobic...effing cowards.

Time was you used to get a better class of attention seeking TRA troll

back in the day when this was all fields.....

Yeah. I mean, if this is the best they can muster these days…..

this appears to make no sense.

What do you not understand? Are the words too big?

that implies men who want to pressure women to become menz

men

...how sorting toilets by sex, and making them gender neutral, is a win/win and makes everyone happy. (although your words were rather..big...)

BIG WORDS

Sorry, I think I might be a bit tipsy.

I don't think you're the only one.