some parallels

[Manfreglory]

I've been teasing out this idea, that transphobia and xenophobia have much in common.

• both rest on 'you're not from here; your culture is different; you can't know what it is to have grown up 'over here'/had period pains/gone through labour.

• both reject difference or change in favour of sameness or stasis. 'You look and talk and think differently/you underwent a journey to get here/I can't fully relate to you'.

• both rest not just on culture but on biology: 'Your genes are different than mine/your genotype for phenotype A, B or C aren't identical to mine'.

• both are territorial: 'i sweated blood as a member of this sex/to make it in this society - who are you to come here and demand a seat at the table'?

• both are suspicious of the reasons for transformation. 'You just want the perks of being female; you just want to look up our skirts in the toilet; you just migrated here from Guatemala for financial stability.'

• both demonize, aggressively overstating the chance that the person has or will commit a crime. (Migrants: no need to give examples, just read the news. Trans people: 'you just want access to 'our spaces'' (i.e. the spaces where women/cis women enjoy their privacy from all men, cis or trans) so you can assault us'.

• both minimize or even deny, the need for the transition: 'No child is born trans/those parents were homophobic as the kid was just gay/trans women are men with their dicks lopped off/people should stay in their home country and migration is too dangerous'.

• both hysterically fear that the trans person/migrant will corrupt innocents: 'they will indoctrinate children in school/they will spread religious fundamentalism'.

Gender critical women: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.

Consider, op, the parallels with colonialism.
Genderist males have invaded women’s small territories, sought to impose their dogmas and language.

who have you been radicalised by, OP? Why don’t you support the freedom fighters?

'aggressively overstate the chance that the person has or will commit a crime'

Men, however they identify, commit 100% of rape, 98.2% of sexual assault, and 82% of all violent crime, by gov.uk statistics.

The 2 things aren't similar.

Xenophobia is an irrational dislike of the foreign/strange.

Transphobia, according to trans rights activist, can include something as innocuous as simply not believing transwomen are women - which they aren't. Disbelief of an obviously false statement can't accurately be described as any kind of phobia.

@Manfreglory

Though you and I end up on different sides of this one, I agree it’s often useful to think through comparisons like this.

I’m interested how you see the comparison with race changing — Rachel Dolezal type cases. Was she a victim of Black peoples’ bigotry?

I've been teasing out this idea, that misogyny and xenophobia have much in common.

• both rest on 'you're not from here; your culture is different; you can't know what it is to have grown up male /had white, male privilege
• both reject difference or change in favour of sameness or stasis. 'You look and talk and think differently/you underwent a journey to get here/I can't fully relate to you'.
• both rest not just on culture but on biology: 'Your genes are different than mine/your genotype for phenotype A, B or C aren't identical to mine'.
• both are territorial: 'i sweated blood as a member of this sex/to make it in this society - who are you to come here and demand a seat at the table'?
• both are suspicious of the reasons for transforming society. 'You just want the perks of being female; you just want to remove rights from men; you just migrated here to steal our jobs
• both demonize, aggressively overstating the chance that the person deserves to be abused (Migrants: no need to give examples, just read the news. Women: she had it coming)
• both minimize or even deny, the need for transforming society: women should stay at home, they can't cope in the real world /people should stay in their home country and migration is too dangerous'.
• both testerically fear that the women/migrant will corrupt innocents: 'they will indoctrinate children in school about patriarchy, women's rights, the right to say 'no' to men/they will spread religious fundamentalism'.

Handmaids: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.

Are you in the States? Nobody from Guatemala “migrates” to the UK “for financial stability”. Nothing else in your OP makes sense either.

There's no such thing as transphobia
It was made up to seem to be analogous to homophobia when trans etc. was grafted onto the gay rights movement.

Knowing that humans cannot change their sex is not a phobia of any kind.

Some people are homosexual. No people are transsexual because you can't transition from one sex to the other. It's not a thing.

Gender is also made up. A man wearing lipstick and pearls is not being "feminine" he's just a man in lipstick and pearls. In the 18th C he would have fitted right in with all the other men. At best, he's just being a bit old fashioned. 😂

Usual bollocks about conflating racism, with transphobia. Dressed up in psuedo intellectualism.

SOMEONE SAID TODAY THAT TRA’S HAVE FAILED TO RECALIBRATE THEIR APPROACH IN LIGHT OF SOCIAL AND LEGAL DEVELOPMENTS, YOU MATE ARE A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO GO AWAY AND RETHINK YOUR STRATEGY AS THIS ISN’T WORKING ANYMORE.

Nothing will help you, the day will soon be gone for you and your ilk. And there will be nowhere to post on this board anymore because we will be busy discussing other stuff such as women and health care, black and Asian women's rights, trafficking, surrogacy, women’s rights abroad.

you know stuff you have no interest in.

Canada according to a previous post.

This reminds me of the time when my small son asked me "Why can't you tackle in tennis?"

The extreme extent of how muddled he was made it really hard to know where to start with the explanation.

OP, why fear something that isn't real? (That man-made construct gender).

I feel sorry for people with dysphoria and would like them to appreciate who they really are.

@Manfreglory

“You look and talk and think differently“

This is one of the many points where your examples puzzle me.

Which of the following definitions of woman relies more on how someone looks, talks and thinks?

a) “woman is a female adult, and living as a women means being a living female adult”
b) “women is someone who feels they are a women, and living as a woman is to look and sound a certain way that is more typical of females”

To me, it’s clearly b.

Where have I gone wrong?

It’s an interesting thought and I have to admit one I considered when I first started becoming more gender critical. However I think the main difference in xenophobia tends to be punching down to more vulnerable groups and people not wanting to risk a position of privilege by allowing others seeking help in to the fold if that makes sense. Whereas I see the gender critical movement as being more people trying to prevent those with more power (both physical and otherwise) taking over the spaces that were designed to exclude them. I do find it Interesting that early socialisation still plays a large part in that transmen tend to just accept that they wouldn’t go into spaces designed for gay men unless specifically requested or invited - indeed it’s fine to exclude them from these spaces yet trans women do except to be able to go into spaces for biological women and are, in some cases, willing to use intimidation and physical force to achieve this. I liked the previous poster’s comparison to colonialism, I do think there’s legs in that analogy.

Going further on with your analogy though I think both are examples where structural change is needed to accommodate everyone happily however this costs money so it’s just buried under a load of ‘be kind’ and drowning out peoples voices who raise concerns.

I guess it depends on what your own definition of transphobia is.
It isn't transphobic to realise that to be trans means that you weren't born the sex you wish, or feel compelled, to live as.
It isn't that I don't like someone being trans, they can be or wear whatever the heck they feel like. It just doesn't mean they've changed sex. Or that I should have to accept them as they see themselves.
To realise someone is a different race and has a different culture isn't in itself xenophobia. Xenophobia is when people dislike and discriminate against someone of a different culture.
To not want biological males to be treated the same as females isn't discrimination, it's an observation of their sex.

Less muddled than the OP. At least rugby and tennis are real.

Humans can't change sex sweetie. Lay off the hormones they've fuddled your brain.

Interesting parallels @Manfreglory but I think there's more compelling ones to make when looking at the ideology of transgenderism.

For example, the similarities with cultural appropriation: acting out stereotypes of the opposite sex / different culture without having any real insight or experience of actually being the opposite sex / of a different culture. Pretty much sums it up, wouldn't you say?

Trouble with your analogy, Man freglory, is that you assume that your immigrants have crossed the Channel. They haven't. A better analogy would be Spaniards who like to drink Newkie Brown in English pubs in Torrenilinos, say "What-what! Old chap," and wear Union Jack ties, claiming the right to vote in UK elections. Even if they cross the Channel they will still be deluded Spaniards at best, invaders at worst.

😂😂

It's so hard to make a direct parallel because there seems so much less 'race dysphoria' than gender. So, was she trying to fit in? Was she more emotionally connected to the Black community than white? Inthinkntyerexare sone parallels and don't agree with the many who slammed her. Thanks for asking a scraping all this seriously.

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you're proving my point

except people who culturally appropriate are usually trying to cherry pick; haven't best of both worlds - not to transition.

Ha oh the irony

it's a belief that they will remain the gender of their birth; that to 'trans' as in 'transition' isn't possible. so trans people per se, do not exist.