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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nicola Sturgeon says her sexuality isn't binary

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cigarsmokingwoman · 08/08/2025 18:55

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In the sun newspaper and I think also on STV news (according to my DM)

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SionnachRuadh · 11/08/2025 13:59

Besides Layla Moran has first dibs on being a pansexual politician, and Moran has the kind of ditzy persona that allows her to sort of get away with that. Sturgeon doesn't have that.

My working assumption about Sturgeon is she's bisexual, and more towards the gay end of the bi spectrum, but for a long time she chose to present as straight. There's nothing massively unusual about that. Read Christopher Hitchens' autobiography, where he barely mentions his wives but bangs on at great length about his love for Martin Amis.

Sturgeon's sexual orientation would not be half as relevant if she didn't also believe that lesbians don't have the right to reject male bodied people as sexual partners.

mrshoho · 11/08/2025 14:00

Why not just boring old bisexual? Why the confusing my sexuality has never been binary? Why does she bring this up as factor in transgender rights. It's of no relevance and who gives a shit about her sexuality. There's nothing genuine about this woman.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:19

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 11/08/2025 13:21

Why can't she be "pansexual"? Apart from the fact that it makes her sound about 15 years old or like some kind of ancient hippie?

Because it's a step too far for your average nonbinary on the Clapham omnibus and she'd be ridiculed.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:23

mrshoho · 11/08/2025 14:00

Why not just boring old bisexual? Why the confusing my sexuality has never been binary? Why does she bring this up as factor in transgender rights. It's of no relevance and who gives a shit about her sexuality. There's nothing genuine about this woman.

She's made so much noise about gender she really can't comment on 'sex'. Bisexuality has that built into the word and the concept - someone attracted to either sex.

Maybe I'm making the mistake of looking for logic again, though. As we all know a cardinal feature of genderism is that it doesn't make sense or cohere.

Needspaceforlego · 11/08/2025 15:33

Keeptoiletssafe · 11/08/2025 13:57

I did not know about the door ventilation! How interesting. Common sense?!

Why doesn’t she get behind the campaign for single sex toilets then? They’re the only ones with the bottoms ‘cut off’!

To be fair she does have a point with ventilation and pathogen build up. Particularly in a small enclosed place, with no natural ventilation, that can’t be cleaned easily with a door resting in a closed position for ‘niceness’ or fire regs. That’s why single sex toilets are recommended for health purposes in hospitals.

But classroom doors have glass in so at least you can see if somethings not right going on behind them. Or, in the event of a quick building emergency, that there are people in there. In classrooms there should be working windows (I know thats not always the case).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60246163.amp

Can you imagine the laughing in the news room when they were trying to decide on the headline for that?

viques · 11/08/2025 15:41

MarieDeGournay · 08/08/2025 21:26

But the point is that NS has [belatedly] made a thing about her sexuality, and we're responding not to her sexuality per se, but her use of it in how she portrayed herself to the electorate. And how she is now portraying herself to the book-buying public...
That's what there is to say about it.

That, and who is that French politician, but that's just meGrin

Oh if only it was Marie LePen. That would really stir stuff up and get the hidden crap rising to the surface exuding bubbles of methane and strange green radioactive phosphorescence. Honestly Nicola, if you are going to have a scandal make it one we can all enjoy, think of the book sales, you might even get a Netflix mini series out of it.

NebulousSadTimes · 11/08/2025 16:23

Igneococcus · 11/08/2025 11:24

She'll be at Usher Hall in October, not part of the festival. Boris Johnson will be at Usher Hall in September.

I can't be doing with either of them but how gloriously sweet would it be if he was a sell out and she ... wuzny.

Igneococcus · 11/08/2025 18:11

NebulousSadTimes · 11/08/2025 16:23

I can't be doing with either of them but how gloriously sweet would it be if he was a sell out and she ... wuzny.

Haha, yeah, that'd be funny.
I never look at anything else than music that's on at Usher Hall but I did today and I realized I have no desire to go to any of the "An evening with...." or similar events.

Keeptoiletssafe · 11/08/2025 21:14

I skipped a page from this thread earlier so didn’t see the old article I posted had already been posted. Still can’t believe she said that though about cutting doors.
Off to watch the interview now…

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/08/2025 21:23

WhatterySquash · 11/08/2025 11:59

She is in the book festival, this Thursday according to the website. Sold out.

Good for her.
Frankly, her cool, calm, common sense delivery when the myriad men in power in Westminster were flapping about like headless chickens (or partying, whatever, meh we’ve mostly forgotten about that now, haven’t we?) got my CEV husband and I through many dark days and nights.
For that alone, I am truly grateful and very prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt.

As for her sexuality? Seriously, who gives a shit? We all deserve to be who we are.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 21:40

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/08/2025 21:23

Good for her.
Frankly, her cool, calm, common sense delivery when the myriad men in power in Westminster were flapping about like headless chickens (or partying, whatever, meh we’ve mostly forgotten about that now, haven’t we?) got my CEV husband and I through many dark days and nights.
For that alone, I am truly grateful and very prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt.

As for her sexuality? Seriously, who gives a shit? We all deserve to be who we are.

Aye, and she coolly, calmly sent covid patients back to care homes. And coolly, calmly deleted her WhatsApp messages. And common-sensically told us that Isla Bryson was neither man nor woman, but 'rapist' gender.

MelOfTheRoses · 11/08/2025 22:00

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 21:40

Aye, and she coolly, calmly sent covid patients back to care homes. And coolly, calmly deleted her WhatsApp messages. And common-sensically told us that Isla Bryson was neither man nor woman, but 'rapist' gender.

And told schools to cut the bottom off the classroom doors 🤷‍♀️

UnpaintedLily · 11/08/2025 22:06

@SionnachRuadh I think it's telling that she left no serious successors in the next generation, and they had to rewind the clock 20 years and bring Swinney back. The only one of the younger generation with real ability is Kate Forbes, and she's leaving next year.

Very much agree that leaders should be judged partly on how they manage their succession. My experience (in scientific research) has always been that the really bright people are always looking out for people who can challenge them intellectually and very keen to nurture the next generation of talent.

It's a sign of the lack of progress towards sex equality under Sturgeon that in 2025 Forbes still can't find a satisfactory way of combining motherhood with a high-level political career. Perhaps she’d have been more inclined to sacrifice time with her pre-school children if she could see a path to becoming FM in the next couple of years - regardless, she's walking away from a successful career before obviously reaching her ceiling. I think that's a pity and an indictment of the system.

I hope, for the sake of everyone in her position, that walking back into high-level politics after a break is normalised fairly rapidly. For a variety of reasons I think that the demos would benefit if many politicians split their political careers.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/08/2025 22:07

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 21:40

Aye, and she coolly, calmly sent covid patients back to care homes. And coolly, calmly deleted her WhatsApp messages. And common-sensically told us that Isla Bryson was neither man nor woman, but 'rapist' gender.

Ok.

KassandraOfSparta · 12/08/2025 07:45

And wanging on, self-promoting and not doing her day job on BBC breakfast this morning.

KassandraOfSparta · 12/08/2025 07:49

that Times article - ffs.

"However, in Frankly, Sturgeon writes: “Whatever the reason, when confronted with the question ‘Is Isla Bryson a woman?’ I was like a rabbit in the headlights.
“Because I failed to answer ‘yes’, plain and simple, to the basic question, I seemed weak and evasive."

DrUptonsWallofSad · 12/08/2025 07:55

KassandraOfSparta · 12/08/2025 07:49

that Times article - ffs.

"However, in Frankly, Sturgeon writes: “Whatever the reason, when confronted with the question ‘Is Isla Bryson a woman?’ I was like a rabbit in the headlights.
“Because I failed to answer ‘yes’, plain and simple, to the basic question, I seemed weak and evasive."

As opposed to saying "Yes" and looking like an even bigger idiot?

ArabellaScott · 12/08/2025 08:14

Igneococcus · 12/08/2025 07:20

Another article in the Times.
She still has no clue, no understanding, no insight, no wish to understand other people's views, not an ounce of humility.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/29160158-03f7-4afc-bce6-38a425c72df0?shareToken=d101faeab3d56de20fdd7cc918badcf6

Jesus Christ. She's doubling down.

'In Frankly, Sturgeon states that while political opposition to her reforms were growing in 2022 and that campaigners’ anger was “bordering on hysteria”'

ArabellaScott · 12/08/2025 08:17

'Sturgeon said, for the first time, said that Bryson is a “biological male” but admitted she might “sometimes still seem as if I’m struggling with how to define Isla Bryson”.

She said this was “not out of any concern for Isla Bryson” but “out of concern for how that then affects the wider trans community, and that is difficult”.'

Difficult?! Did she never think how fucking difficult things might be for women in jail confronted by rapists? Or women unable to complain about men in their spaces for fear of being hauled in for her damn Hate Crime Act infractions?!

Hell mend you, Nicola Sturgeon.

Igneococcus · 12/08/2025 08:22

ArabellaScott · 12/08/2025 08:17

'Sturgeon said, for the first time, said that Bryson is a “biological male” but admitted she might “sometimes still seem as if I’m struggling with how to define Isla Bryson”.

She said this was “not out of any concern for Isla Bryson” but “out of concern for how that then affects the wider trans community, and that is difficult”.'

Difficult?! Did she never think how fucking difficult things might be for women in jail confronted by rapists? Or women unable to complain about men in their spaces for fear of being hauled in for her damn Hate Crime Act infractions?!

Hell mend you, Nicola Sturgeon.

I didn't think my opinion of her could have gone down any further, guess i was wrong about that.

DrUptonsWallofSad · 12/08/2025 08:24

So have I got this right? She's not actually rowing back on anything, she's just saying she didn't make herself clear enough, e.g. Bryson is a woman?

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/08/2025 08:29

" I think that rapists probably should lose the right to self identify their gender".

This is nonsensical, in terms of trans ideology, in which you are either trans or you are not. It is not about "being allowed" to be who you are, surely?

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