M&S apologises over trans employee in bra department (Telegraph)

[WimbledonWhites]

How many “cis” male members of staff do you suppose would approach teenage girls in the lingerie department?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

https://archive.ph/nTDB9archive.ph/nTDB9

I haven't read the whole thread but that is not what it says in the original article.

Have I missed something?

I know. You couldn't make it up if you tried!

yes, I recommend you read the thread. All of it and not a skim as others have done and failed to see the information that they have then repeatedly asked for or been told was wrong.

Why did he run off when the mother approached? Guilt that he knew he was probably doing something he shouldn’t have been doing.

Did he say the mother that he was terribly sorry that there has been a misunderstanding and I will fetch one of my managers now? No.

Trump didn't cause males entering female spaces in the US, or in the UK, or in Canada or in Australia in NZ, so I don't know what point you're trying to make. Many of us have been fighting trans ideology and transwomen in female spaces long before 2016 when Trump was even an idea to first run for President. He has less than zero to do with any of this.

Why would anyone at M&S Ayr be commenting to India???

They REALLY shouldn't be doing that for all manner of reasons. If, of course, what India actually says is true.

Note that India then uses it as an attempt to try and discredit the mother 'because everyone had their clothes on'.

Sigh.

We really need some safeguarding courses in the UK don't we??

This is absolute disingenuous nonsense, I have shopped for nursing bras in M&S multiple times and always been approached by a member of staff to see if I need help. And-shock horror, sometimes there are even men in the lingerie department!!
Im not saying this was appropriate but the hysterical reaction and the twisting of facts to what was almost certainly an innocent retail interaction is awful.

Getting a male predator sacked for BREAKING THE RULES OF HIS JOB (approaching people) is not 'eliminating' anyone. You, are eliminating female only boundaries. Your seething hatred of females is all too clear.

The pay gap😬

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/employers/8118/reporting-year-2023

1. Main gender pay gap figures
In this organisation:

• women earned 94p for every £1 that men earned (comparing median hourly pay)
• women made up 55.7% of employees in the highest paid quarter, and 81.6% of employees in the lowest paid quarter
• 5.6% of women received bonus pay, compared with 8.9% of men
• women’s bonus pay was 20.0% lower than men’s (comparing median bonus pay)

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/employers/8118/reporting-year-2024

1. Main gender pay gap figures
In this organisation:

• women earned 94p for every £1 that men earned (comparing median hourly pay)
• women made up 55.4% of employees in the highest paid quarter, and 79.5% of employees in the lowest paid quarter
• 84.4% of women received bonus pay, compared with 85.3% of men
• women’s bonus pay was 0.0% lower than men’s (comparing median bonus pay)

Willoughby is yet another who has not read what was said to have happened but has tried to distract by misdirection and discredit using falsity.

It is bizarre that anyone from M&S 'spoke' to Willoughby. Either way, another set of falsehoods.

I see. So, M&S have a history of allowing male people to work in the bra department. Thank you for confirming that this was not an isolated incident.

Actually, what is 'awful' is any poster who attempts to excuse a male person approaching a teenaged girl while she is in the bra department.

Oh my God, you're so cool!

Jane Doe AT DoeJane1971
For those asking on this thread, he was meant to be in Women's Wear or Homeware. AT marksandspencer have since changed their story: that they wrote to me saying colleagues are deployed across the store. I have the emails saying different...

It is amazing how many people want to ignore the core issue, an adult male approaching an apparently unaccompanied child (with no excuse or reason for doing so).

Doing it while surrounded by underwear displays increases the creepiness. But the way the gender issue is being used to excuse or camouflage or distract from the weirdness, indeed, the way it is being used to suggest that the targetted child was at some way at fault for not being a willing accessory, is very disturbing.

"Do you need any help?" is a pretty standard question from a retail worker, especially if a customer was looking a bit lost.

Again, he is not allowed to ask a customer if they need help. And the girl was browsing in the racks, she wasn't 'looking lost'. You're desperate to defend this filthy male predator and I wish I knew why.

I'm fairly sure India has form for being economic with the truth...

Has a man ever approached you in the lingerie department offering 'help'?

I think you are going to have to post it at the top of every page now. Because even though you have now hand fed those posters the information to correct their wrong assumptions, they will continue to deny it, or deny that it is a problem.

Willowby has a cervix, remember 🤭

Poor girl and mum, not on, is it, for a man to approach a girl then scarper when her mum appears, so creepy. Shudder.

1. It is against the rules for them to approach customers.
2. She wasn't 'lost', she was browsing the ACTUAL BRA SECTION, right in front of them!

If staff are accessing CCTV and leaking that personal data M&S HQ needs to start sacking managers ........

And if the mum has asked for the data M&S will end up having to hand it over.

"Men sometimes buy their wives lingerie" is going to become the new "you have a gender neutral toilet at home", isn't it?

No we haven't lost it! Here, it's down the bottom right of the text box - "😆"

Yep.

The new "the Supreme Court is rigged".
The new "the Cass Report is biased"
The new "its just like being gay"
The new "just trying to pee"
The new "you people don't know any trans people and if you did you wouldn't..."

We should just add it to The Script Bingo Card now.

Of the multiple times you were shopping in the underwear department how many times had a male member of staff offered to help you locate a bra or other undergarment without you or anyone with you asking for help?