NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #47

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025

Had Upton had ANY intervention whatsoever?

FFS first link didn't work, maybe this one will? Apparently playback is disabled outside of YouTube.

Edit 2: Nope. It's not having it.

Edit 3: That's Weird Al's Like A Surgeon but it won't preview it on MN.

Medical intervention I mean, in reference to his trans-ness?

One for @Boiledbeetle perhaps ☺️

I wonder whether NC is asking to re-examine some more witnesses? The timing seems odd (but perhaps she thought it best to get this morning’s witness out of the way before pissing off the judge and panel)?

100%.
I'd rather that her personal views aligned with mine, but even if they are radically different, I'll still defend her right to get changed without a man in the room.

Not all ladyboys have genital surgery, either. I read a book about them.
All of them (in this book) were gay men who wanted to present as female.
(Just as an aside to the general chitchat)

Cheese scones with cayenne pepper and paprika are wonderous!

I'm getting there! I misspelled flies the first time and couldn't work out why it was generating an image with files stuck to the walls!

🤣 I want to see that version!

🤣🤣🤣

Bundle problems.

🤣

No, you just might be doing pregnancy tests on men and trying to find women's prostates.
Seems you don't have to be pissed for that though Gina, even the sober ones struggle

Right flies AND files!

That's it, now anytime I need the phrase, I'm going to go with "what I wouldn't give to be a file on the wall".
Less chance of being splatted by someone, too, I'll wager.

The issue is that they were opening the mail of someone who was taking legal action against them. Not just any member of staff.

Yay! Great stuff

And again treating SP differently based on the action.
It's showing a pattern by NHSF of targeted harassment and mistreatment.

So...bets on.
Will the tribunal finish today?

I thought it would be over in April.

Chat GPT reckons SP for the win.

Are they still at lunch? They should have been back almost 20 mins ago right?

It'll be over by Christmas. Guaranteed.

Private discussion after lunch

Yeah but which Christmas ?2027

Submissions tomorrow and Thursday morning.

But the timetable might not allow.