NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #46

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

JR on about chopping cocks off

Just not said in quite that way.

NC and judge having a discussion

For break time - What is Tizer meant to taste of?

and what was the red lemonade I used to get in Ireland on holiday when I was little? Tbf I am talking 50 years ago

I disagree - in every job I have worked in the post is opened in the post room, logged and then bundled up to go first to the reviewing partner in that department and I only then got it after that partner had seen in it (and in some cases written a note on it with instructions like send a copy to XYZ). I can't imagine that NHSF has a different policy

They need either permission or a reasonable excuse. "The member of staff in question has left so we needed to check if this was something we needed to deal with" is a reasonable excuse. It is not clear that they had a reasonable excuse in this case. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't have one, but it isn't immediately obvious.

JR mispronounced MF surname again.

Why would she bring up AGP? That's going to be unfamiliar to a lot of people.

you mix your spare by pouring half & half into a screw top bottle, then it will keep for weeks.

Miss Forshatter? Wtf is wrong with you Russell. You know damn well what her name is

She is so childish.

Plenty. Monroe Bergdorf, Laverne Cox, more from the drama Pose.

Why is JR calling MF Miss Forshatter? Is it slipping out because it's what she says or thinks in private?

Trying to discredit Sex Matters and paint them as the weirdos

JR Are u happy w them joining CR
No, cos theyre M and we cant tell which are dangerous and which arent
JR Some men are dangerous so u dont want TW in as theyre M
EM Correct
JR U wldnt go thrugh GA lower surgery process to get in a F CR. Quite a process
EM Yes, but afail most dont have surgery
NC No relevance in these Qs
J Can be dealt w in subs. The impartiality of the witness is import
JR Do u think Tw are weirdos?
No
JR SM doing a lot of work on AGP currently. Do u know what is?
EM I'm not sure of status of this word

Fishy. Did the FiM group try to refer her/get her referred?

TBF this case is so public I think there's a very reasonable concern that either recipient's mail could contain malign substances. Though if that is the concern they should probably have the post vetted by a proper security person or even the police. Is there evidence that was what was happening?

I would think given the circumstances, the correct thing to do would have been for NHS Fife to contact Sandie or her representatives and make an arrangement given there's a high profile court case going on to make sure that no more disasters come their way........................of course, that assumes a belt and braces approach in NHS Fife to doing things the right way and avoiding further harm, but why start with the post!

God I used to work with someone who did things like this. They thought they were being so clever but everyone who came across them just knew what a twat they were. So childish. Not sure someone who intentionally mispronounces people's names for cheap laughs from the peanut gallery should be in charge of attempting to win a case. Couldn't Fife afford anyone better?

Either brown or red lemonade, or depending on where you were it might have been Football Special https://football-special.com/

Every workplace I’ve been in all
post would be opened by our admin team, logged/scanned and then passed to me. The only exception would be mail marked private and confidential and then I’d be expected to log it/scan it. Work isn’t the place for personal correspondence.

would have been sent to her home address?

Yes, I know, but she's not doing her own case any good by putting that idea in some peoples' minds.

Those are all US (and “celebrity”). How about in the UK? I may be mistaken but my impression of (eg) trans Reddit uk is overwhelmingly white middle class.

I will be glad to not have to listen to JRs 'tone' of voice for a while after this.

JR sounds desperate.

The evidence is that they are vetting post addressed to two specific individuals, not vetting everything. That is what makes this difficult for Fife. If they always opened everything in the post room, that isn't an issue. If most goes through without being opened but post addressed to two specific individuals is opened and vetted, that is problematic.