NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #46

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

For me this is key to the “mass collusion” nature of the activist standard of “trans acceptance.” It’s not enough to accept gender non-conformity, you have to pretend you a) can’t tell a trans colleague is trans even though you are clearly bending over backwards for them because they’re trans and b) have to slam-dunk your ally status by pretending you don’t even know your own sex, despite sex being pertinent to your professional knowledge.

How can that lead to anything good? All it does is reveal that people can be socially pressured into lying. And as we see here, Fife was much more interested in gathering multiple people to punish Sandiefor not going along with that lie, despite at least one nurse having what I would have considered to be worse dirt on her from seven years ago.

You can really see where the priorities lie.

I'd just be glugging straight from a gin bottle if being questioned by NC

NC Did u decide to keep this back and appaleed when s'one found it? MC No I didnt

What's 'appaleed' mean here?

MC really doubling down

Oh god but this is bad news for KS

@Hillfarmerive not managed to view via my iPad either although I have been able to for other ETs. I’ve had to view this on the laptop via Safari.

NC: Can u not see the problem?

The stiletto knife goes in...

appalled, I guess

NC Anyone searching wld find emails in 723?
MC Wld need to recall search term but likely
NC Only asked after Feb 25. Yr sure?
Yes
NC Did u decide to keep this back and appaleed when s'one found it?
MC No I didnt
NC Email wld obvs compromise the Ix [sound glitch]
NC It was bound to due to condemnation and praise and involving a no of witnesses
NC Can u not see the problem?
MC At that time, the Ix not completed. The reported behav unacceptable. One issue with B&H is impossible to think about if dont know about it. Didnt compromise as behav already known. If reported behav had happedned was unacceptable

'If reported behv had happened' -
if doing a lot of work there...!

You were appalled when someone found it.

She is gonna need a big piss with all the water she is drinking.

It may have been “not taking it seriously” or it may have been more deliberate. How to tell? It certainly is a serious impediment to justice if one side is not disclosing properly, whatever the reason.

Judge looks like he's about to nod off

Does anyone have a link please to follow? Off with a stomach bug today.

I know how he feels! I'm knackered after yesterday, today is going to feel so very long.

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All the links you could possibly want are on the first post of this thread.

appalled?

5 mins break

Thank you 😊

MC To reassure wldnt be working w SP
NC Move on to ref...
JR Maybe the stenographer wants a break?
J It's not quite an hour but up to you
NC It's convenient now
J Ok. We'll have a 5 min break [SESSION ENDS

JR - The Stenographer's Friend😁

In context I'd have thought 'apologise'.

Phew, still not entirely caught up with yesterday's shitshow but here I am.

Just my four penn'orth:

Let's face it, SP sounds bloody awful. A nasty, racist person amongst a wider group of nasty, racist people. Safe to say, we would not get on.

But just think - it's apparently been widely known around NHSF that she's a nasty, racist person for at least thirteen years, and NHSF have done the square root of bugger all about it. If they had actually dealt with the racism at source, they would never have found themselves in this position - because she'd have been, quite rightly, sacked years ago.

As it is, she wasn't and her incontrovertible right to a SSS to change in will mean that she will win this case. She'll probably never work again though.

TT's 1st Morning tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1950104368902025713.html

Covid was also a rich source of jokes on social media, it probably wasn’t very funny to people whose loved ones died of it.

NC has managed to steer it back to lack of proper procedure-following, and, though she hasn't emphasised it as much as I would like😏,the 100% acceptance of DrU's version of events, and the assumption that SP was guilty.

I don't even think that yesterday's revelations of racist jokes can be taken as 'Well she's racist so she's probably transphobic too' because all these doctors say they didn't know SP/ barely knew her before the reported incident.